Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-16 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
2015-11-15 2:06 GMT-03:00 Daniel Koć : > > W dniu 14.11.2015 19:44, tony wroblewski napisał(a): > >> I think people need a playpen where they can try out ideas and map >> before contributing to the main map (Maybe there already is, I don't >> know). I think it should also be a

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-16 Thread Jo
Indeed, without a feedback loop it's rather moot, an exercise in futility to edit in the sandbox. Jo 2015-11-17 0:20 GMT+01:00 Nicolás Alvarez : > 2015-11-15 2:06 GMT-03:00 Daniel Koć : > > > > W dniu 14.11.2015 19:44, tony wroblewski napisał(a): > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-16 Thread joost schouppe
In Belgium we also welcome new mappers, using Pascal Neis service and first a Google Doc (connected by IFTTT), now Ruben ( M!dgard ) is doing this with a PHP site he'll clean up one day to share (more info: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Collaborative_tool_for_welcoming_new_mappers ). The

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 14.11.2015 um 15:04 schrieb Michał Brzozowski : > > I am kind of fed > up with how rarely newbies respond to changeset comments and messages. > Have you observed such low rate in your area? yes, I also send much more messages to new users than get

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 14.11.2015 19:44, tony wroblewski napisał(a): I think people need a playpen where they can try out ideas and map before contributing to the main map (Maybe there already is, I don't know). I think it should also be a requirement that people add a I think this is the place for playing

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Gerd Petermann
ff: Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low? Op 14 nov. 2015, om 20:49 heeft Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us<mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us>> het volgende geschreven: I like that concept. I try to invite new users are in the geographic area of our

[OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Michał Brzozowski
I watch what new users do, reviewing their work and I am kind of fed up with how rarely newbies respond to changeset comments and messages. Have you observed such low rate in your area? Is there anything we could do in order to increase it? I feel it's so futile to ever contact these hit-and-run

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 03:04:41PM +0100, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > I watch what new users do, reviewing their work and I am kind of fed > up with how rarely newbies respond to changeset comments and messages. > Have you observed such low rate in your area? > Is there anything we could do in

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
> Op 14 nov. 2015, om 18:04 heeft Michał Brzozowski het > volgende geschreven: > > > Recently I found out that simple "please fix" or "please respond" (if > edits need clarification) boosts chances for a reply or fixing by the > user. How about we make some

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:44 PM, tony wroblewski wrote: > From experience, I know that such responses are intimidating and put > people off mapping. My girlfriend started mapping some areas when I > showed her how to do it and immediately somebody sent her an email >

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Bryce Cogswell
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:44 PM, tony wroblewski > wrote: > >> I think people need a playpen where they can try out ideas and map >> before contributing to the main map (Maybe there

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread GerdP
Michał Brzozowski wrote > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Gerd Petermann > > GPetermann_muenchen@ > wrote: >> I think that's quite okay presuming that many users don't speak english > I forgot to mention. My operations with respect to newcomers are > almost solely in Poland. So I write in

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Gerd Petermann wrote: > I think that's quite okay presuming that many users don't speak english I forgot to mention. My operations with respect to newcomers are almost solely in Poland. So I write in Polish. > and another group

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread tony wroblewski
From experience, I know that such responses are intimidating and put people off mapping. My girlfriend started mapping some areas when I showed her how to do it and immediately somebody sent her an email saying how she should be doing things because he doesn't map it that way (Neither way was

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
> Op 14 nov. 2015, om 20:49 heeft Clifford Snow het > volgende geschreven: > > I like that concept. I try to invite new users are in the geographic area of > our meetup group. If I think they need a helpful hint I add it to the welcome > message. I'd really like to

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 8:49 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I like that concept. I try to invite new users are in the geographic area of > our meetup group. If I think they need a helpful hint I add it to the > welcome message. I'd really like to automate the process. Is

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
> Op 14 nov. 2015, om 20:11 heeft Michał Brzozowski het > volgende geschreven: > > Thanks. I use openstreetmap.pl/users - usually (if it isn't out of > sync), it can be faster - resultmaps update only hourly. It is also > connected to the #osm-pl IRC channel. That kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > A few months ago the Dutch community started sending out a welcome message > to every new mapper with some general info and pointers to useful websites > and wikis. > This helps a lot in making the new mappers

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

2015-11-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.11.2015 um 18:04 schrieb Michał Brzozowski: ... lots of stuff ... This is not a new complaint/moan. The major issue is the people that have made OSM one of/their major hobby (aka us) fretting about the fact that lots of other people just joined to fix something or test. They typically