Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, And I ask: what is the value of the `id' attribute of the object in question when the ID hasn't been assigned yet? Today I know the answer So why not just put it in the Wiki? Every misunderstanding that is subsequently resolved is a chance to improve our documentation. I've added a note

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Let me repeat onece more: * the DTDs say IDs are *required* True, that should perhaps be changed. Sadly, the only way to do it 100% correct is to create an individual DTD for each of the operations and we don't want that because it makes the whole thing too complicated. * no paragraph or

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-18 Thread Tom Hughes
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lukasz Stelmach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: Indeed. I think the problem is that he is reading a page that documents the HTTP API and expecting it to tell him the format of a JOSM change file. No, I was reading the page about HTTP

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-18 Thread Lukasz Stelmach
Tom Hughes wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 10, 2008 10:51 PM, Lukasz Stelmach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All right I confess. I have done something like that to the node 300 a while ago. But while you are considering some

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-18 Thread Lukasz Stelmach
Tom Hughes wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lukasz Stelmach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: Indeed. I think the problem is that he is reading a page that documents the HTTP API and expecting it to tell him the format of a JOSM change file. No, I was reading the page

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-11 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Feb 11, 2008 9:44 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if there is a page anywhere that documents the format of JOSM change files? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM_file_format On the more general idea of change file formats:

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-11 Thread Gabriel Ebner
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 08:44:21AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: I don't know if there is a page anywhere that documents the format of JOSM change files? Nothing sophisticated. Everything with a negative id gets created, everything with an action=modify attribute is uploaded, and everything with an

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-11 Thread Tom Hughes
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 10, 2008 10:51 PM, Lukasz Stelmach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All right I confess. I have done something like that to the node 300 a while ago. But while you are considering some solutions to this

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-10 Thread Lukasz Stelmach
Hi Chris. I learnt it quite soon after I uploaded my version of 300. I just sniffed JOSM but that is not the way ordinary people learn. It SHOULD (IMHO MUST) be described on the API page. Chris Hill wrote: Dave Stubbs wrote: I don't know who/what they are, but there are a

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-07 Thread Brett Henderson
Would a version number be a cleaner solution? I'm always uneasy about using dates for this purpose. 80n wrote: If the server were to provide the original timestamp as an additional attribute, and reject if it didn't match on upload, then problems like this could be prevented. It would

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-06 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Dave Stubbs wrote: Sent: 06 February 2008 5:58 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits I don't know who/what they are, but there are a large number of low number nodes that have been utterly destroyed. Basically 522-603 and a few others in the

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Feb 6, 2008 7:06 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 5:57 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know who/what they are, but there are a large number of low number nodes that have been utterly destroyed. Basically 522-603 and a few others in the 1000's have

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-06 Thread Jon Burgess
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 20:23 +, Dave Stubbs wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 7:06 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 5:57 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know who/what they are, but there are a large number of low number nodes that have been utterly

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Feb 6, 2008 8:39 PM, Jon Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 20:23 +, Dave Stubbs wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 7:06 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 5:57 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know who/what they are, but there are a

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-06 Thread 80n
If the server were to provide the original timestamp as an additional attribute, and reject if it didn't match on upload, then problems like this could be prevented. It would also be a proper solution to update conflicts. 80n On Feb 6, 2008 6:05 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder) [EMAIL

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-06 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
80n [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent: 06 February 2008 9:12 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder) Cc: Dave Stubbs; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits If the server were to provide the original timestamp as an additional attribute, and reject