Ed Loach wrote:
Or perhaps someone should write a OneWayBot to change all
oneway=true tags to oneway=yes? And perhaps all the -1s could be yes
as well
-1 isn't the same as yes. -1 means one way in the opposite
direction from the way. It's largely a hangover from the days of
segments when
Dave Stubbs wrote:
with 1 hit each for 0, south, ?, west, +1, Yes, and BAN
POTLATCH!!1!3: -1; 1, true; yes
Apparently these days people actually cause tag conflicts just to see
the cute little floating alert and hear the beep sound.
cheers
Richard
Hendrik T. Voelker wrote:
Granted, that might limit the development to Java programmers but hey, if you
know one iterative language, you can easily learn another.
I can't be the only person on this list spluttering in disbelief at
this. Absolutely no way. At all.
Hey, I don't even know what
Frederik Ramm wrote:
You can also use www.informationfreeway.org which gives you the mouse
pointer lat/lon in the bottom right corner.
Or (magic keypress alert) you can click 'Edit' to open Potlatch, move
your pointer to the right place, and press L.
cheers
Richard
Adrian wrote:
Hopefully someone here can explain this for me.
I'll try!
The legal FAQ says that derived data products (that are distributed)
must be made available under the terms of the licence - I interpret
that
to mean for free, am I badly wrong?
You are. The licence, like all open
I'm thinking of disabling zoom level 12 in Potlatch, to reduce load on
the server. It's probably too far zoomed out to be able to do any
useful editing anyway.
Low-res (Landsat) Yahoo kicks in at level 13 so you'd still be able to
access this.
Would anyone's editing be inconvenienced by
http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/
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Martijn van Exel wrote:
Christiano -- Thanks for that. My guess would be that using the WMS in
an OAM-external environment would actually violate the recommendation
to use the i-cubed dataset only within OAM. My take on it would be
that, as long as there's still uncertainty as to licensing,
Matthias Julius wrote:
I could imagine that a significant sub-set of users are interested in
this, especially of those users that care about OSM right now.
Why not do something different that OS, Google and Co.?
Absolutely - do something different. But make the most of the freedom
- do it
Ben Laenen wrote:
just a little question about recent Potlatch versions: I've noticed
that
from time to time changes are uploaded while objects are still
selected. I remember that it used to be that it only uploaded changes
on deselecting.
If it's changed, that's a bug, steps to reproduce
Ben Laenen wrote:
Well, it only starts happening when I've done quite a lot of
mapping, so
pinpointing the exact trigger for it is difficult... I can only tell
that it happens regularly after mapping for a while.
Got it, I think; will be fixed in 0.11e (trac #1256).
cheers
Richard
Nic Roets wrote:
Or change potlatch so that it will not delete or modify objects last
edited by other users. Then it would at least be easy to delete
anything they did.
Tell you what, let's completely ban all editors - that'll eliminate
the risk of vandalism.
Richard
vegard wrote:
Like it or not, potlach *is* the source of quite a bit of accidental
vandalism. It's easy to use for beginners, but they will *not*
understand the implications of what they are doing. The sanbox
helped a
lot, but obviously not enough.
I believe you need some sort of online
Nic Roets wrote:
Ban the talk-list, so that we stop tagging the bikeshed and start
contributing.
Superb idea. I was actually doing some stuff on Potlatch 1.0 before
this bloody thread distracted me. :(
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If you use a Linux system and would prefer not to use the Adobe Flash
Player, you can now use Gnash - the GPL-licensed SWF player - to run
Potlatch.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnash/?branch_id=64471release_id=286570
Full credit to the Gnash devs who have done an outstanding job here.
Moved from newbies@ to talk@, followups to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
James Ewen wrote:
In this part of the world, the best
way I have found to collect road data is to drive the road, convert
the track to locked ways, cut the track into small segments that
Potlatch will convert, tie them all back
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
I just tried to compile 0.8.4 and found it to be completely unusable
for potlatch, the cursor seemed to update once every few seconds
making it hard to select anything, I was unable to edit keys and the
potlatch user interface had all the wrong dimensions or was
spaetz wrote:
check the wiki, there are a few people that have the I release my
data as PD template on their user pages. I would expect the biggest
problem is that existing data is likely to be tainted by the OSM
license if anybody not on that list ever modified it
significantly
Peter Miller wrote:
I am basing my response of the Brief, not the current draft of ODBL (they
are not that different except in the definition of a Derivative DB), however
it would be my understanding that if you combined the OSM DB (unaltered)
with another data-source (the PD one you refer
Andrew Williams wrote:
I've been using my old N95 for a while now to get my GPS traces, but
unfortunatly it's decided to finally give up. So, i'm in the market
for a new GPS device. I'd preferebly like a standalone device
Someone is bound to say eTrex Legend HCx so let me be the first.
Gustav Foseid wrote:
Is really placing a POI based on knowledge gained from other maps, anywhere
near copying?
Entering knowledge gained from other maps is copying, yes.
Of course, one can, and ideally one should, take a liberal view and
say that expansionist views of copyright are insane
MJ Ray wrote:
I won't because I don't want yet another bloody website password. I'm
already scared of the amount of stuff I'll lose if my browser
password store goes titsup. Isn't there an OpenID MediaWiki plugin?
cf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_AuthPlugin , in progress
Jonathan Harley wrote:
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
It only says you must also _offer_ to recipients (my emphasis), not
you must provide in case anyone wants it - it's like the GPL in
that regard. So you don't have to upload a new dump of the whole
derivative db (or a diff
Gustav Foseid wrote:
One should certainly not add information to OSM that is copyrighted,
protected by database rights or otherwise protected. There is a difference
between being careful and paranoid, however.
Yes. We're paranoid. Always have been, it's one of the things that
defines OSM.
Liz wrote:
I don't want PD for my data because then I can see the company like
Garmin
freely using it to update their maps and still charging me for my
data.
But this is what I never get when people wheel out the old canard of
the tragedy of the commons. These days, the commons is
Rob Myers wrote:
I had assumed it was a kind of stew. ;-)
Many a true word...
cheers
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bvh wrote:
If garmin closes their devices for non-garmin signed datasets (ala
TomTom) then you could very well end up paying for the privilege to use
your own data.
Sure, but that's an utterly different issue - that's an issue about
whether or not Garmin allows third-party maps to be
bvh wrote:
My ideal license would force them to divulge their private GIS data
on signal strength
Oh right. I just want to make a map.
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Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
I also have one in the centre of Sutton Coldfield. Think when I
mapped it
(ages and ages ago) I made it two separate ways which obviously
isn't right.
So interested to hear what people think.
+1. There's one in Worcester. Except it's labelled (in
SteveC wrote:
CloudMade have some people experienced in Search Engine Optimisation
and we'd like to offer their time to look at making OSM push higher up
search results. Basically we think it would be nice that if you search
for 'free maps' and things like that then OSM comes up to the top.
Mark Williams wrote:
The apostrophe is not correct anyway. It denotes a missed letter, in
this word-position it would be 'doctor is', as opposed to the
non-apostrophe version meaning 'belong to the the doctor' or plural
doctors.
Heehee, don't get me started.
doctor's is the appropriate
Sunburned Surveyor wrote:
Does the new license ever require my company to release the land use
polygon data in the above scenario?
No.
In essence my company would be dual licensing the road centerline
data.
Indeed. Lots of us already dual-license our contributions to OSM:
Our lovely little mapping hobby is now so uber-successful that the
spammers have noticed it. A few more keep creeping through the net.
What should a spam-spotter do on noticing some spam?
I've pasted a few I've spotted here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Spam
but am unsure what to
Tom Hughes wrote:
A wiki admin can delete it properly, and block the account.
Hokay. I guess what I'm trying to ask is whether there's a procedure
(e.g. flagging spam on a wiki page, or category, which several people
can follow) which might reduce the inevitably OSM tendency for the
way
Phooee, all these lists to choose from. Probably most sensible on
legal-talk, I think (so followups to there).
Erik Johansson wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You didn't read the whole sentence:
ways that are contributed PD only,
Of course
80n wrote:
Since street names are one of the harder bits of information to collect,
what this user has done here looks like a very worthwhile contribution to
the project.
Perhaps we should even be encouraging users without GPS units to create this
kind of topological map. It looks
Steve Chilton wrote:
Amongst all the US Election mapping frenzy there was a good callout for
OSM on Ogle Earth yesterday entitled:- OSM: your map of last resort
http://www.ogleearth.com/index.html
via which I notice this:
Tom Chance wrote:
This is what I always do, with one distinction: if it is a signposted road
going into the estate, then I use highway=unclassified; if it is a service
road running through the estate I use highway=service.
I like that as a general principle - the concept of routeyness, if you
Nic Roets wrote:
Can we agree that a barrier=gate node implies that no traffic is
allowed through unless it's enabled with tags like access=yes and
foot=yes ?
Isn't the point of a gate that you can open it?
i.e. traffic is allowed through, but for routing purposes there's a
time
Ed Loach wrote:
I wouldn't have said so. The point of tagging is a gate is to show
there is a gate across a way. Examples I've seen so far include a
gate beyond which is a service road for a supermarket (so
permissions for the service road are down to who the keyholder is,
gates across
Steve Chilton wrote:
OSM is a multifunctional cytokine produced by activated T lymphocytes
and monocytes and shares properties with all the members of this
family
of proteins. OSM is structurally and functionally very similar to
LIF.
We read the Observer on Sundays. Every month it comes
Mikel wrote:
I'd suggest bypassing Trac and looking into RedMine
http://www.redmine.org/
I'm not sure why the need to reuse existing software at all. Bugtracking is
the sort of thing you expect to find in 'Rails For Dummies' as My First
Rails App - if you’ve got a decent framework it’s pretty
Per-15 wrote:
If you don't like smoothness invent a better scheme!
Smoothness is better than nothing.
That's debatable (as well as, er, very_horrible).
Personally I believe the easiest and most flexible thing is just to extend
the access tags:
bicycle=no|yes|difficult|unsuitable
so you'd
Bernhard Zwischenbrugger wrote:
In Vienna we have an event called Friday Night Skating.
Every week about 1000 Inline Skater meet at 10pm and skate on normal
roads.
The police blocks all the roads an it is possible to skate on roads that
are for normal for cars only.
You can't design/evolve
Robert Vollmert wrote:
The obvious problem with this is the massive redundancy. You need to tag
for every possible form of transport, or infer suitability for something
exotic from the provided suitabilities.
Yes, infer, like we do with every other tag. People realised they didn't
need to tag
Richard Bullock wrote:
Perhaps Map Features should be for the main core tags only (for newbies
mainly - the basics of how to get their road/feature displayed). Perhaps
we
should limit it to the things we consider important enough to render on
the
main renderers - and we can have other
Gervase Markham wrote:
Inventing your own stuff makes perfect sense in the area of your
core competency.
Agreed absolutely.
[...]
I agree that where the bug tracker starts being used for mapping-
related things, then the boundaries start to blur. But I'd still suggest
that the only
Gervase Markham wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
bicycle=no|yes|difficult|unsuitable
The trouble with that sort of thing, as compared to (ignore the actual
tag names, they are just to give an idea):
bicycle=yes
bicycle:surface=poor
(i.e. splitting out access from quality) is that the former
Gervase Markham wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
if access==no or access==false then allowed=no else allowed=yes
So basically, you have to decide that all unknown values default
to either one or the other.
If I'm a renderer, and I come across bicycle=difficult, and I only
know about
Dave Stubbs wrote:
I like the clean relation data model, but find the addr:street
thing much easier at the moment.
Maybe I'll add an addressing button (sorry, I meant obscure
keypress :-P) to Potlatch sometime then there'll be no excuses left.
When this accursed API 0.6 is out of the way,
Bernhard Zwischenbrugger wrote:
Just an other slippy map:
http://lamp2.fhstp.ac.at/~lbz/beispiele/ws2008/oomap4/index.php
Maybe you like the zoom.
The thing I _really_ like is that it doesn't aggressively preload five
thousand miles round the edge every time, unlike OpenLayers (or, more
SteveC wrote:
needs a simple how to do addressing in potlatch video a-la
the old ones I did, as if you ignore relations it is essentially trivial
I'll be committing some new presets next week with all the fields ready and
waiting.
cheers
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Shaun McDonald wrote:
It is a limitation of the 0.5 API.
This problem is highly less likely to happen with 0.6 API, with
the introduction of node/way/relation versioning and transactions.
Though it doesn't really need 0.6 to work, it just needs this bug fixing
(Dave, I think this is your
Till Harbaum wrote:
The big show stopper with potlatch was that everything
is stored in the database immediately, so you are always
afraid to damage things.
Of course, patches are always welcome. :)
The sole reason Potlatch doesn't have such an (optional) feature right now
is that I haven't
Andy, Frederik and Maning have really said all I could ever say.
Except that:
If you really wanted to help - even if you can't or won't code - you would
have submitted some trac tickets with suggestions, as many other people have
done. You would have attempted to understand before condemning.
Steven Le Roux wrote:
Why not prefering to consider other solutions ? Why not downloading
josm as a java web start app and give in the link the bbox from the
browser ?
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2008-December/001204.html
is why.
Magically giving JOSM to newbies
Ed Loach wrote:
It is IE7 fully patched, and I'm guessing (as it doesn't always
do it) that it is user error (me). It is probably that when I
switch from one tab to the wiki tab and back that the way
looks like it is still selected but in reality the flash bit
doesn't have focus.
Right,
Robert Vollmert wrote:
With API 0.6, we'll notice when this happens, right?
Yeah, kind of - there'll be some form of conflict dialogue though with no
way to resolve it as yet, short of reloading the area. I don't really think
the API 0.6 people were thinking of Potlatch when they decided on
D Tucny wrote:
I think this would be an improvement, especially if you could view
a list of changes that would be uploaded prior to upload...
Yep, see previous message about the only reason that not being an option is
that I haven't worked out a UI for it. :)
One thing though that I don't
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
Basically, you'll have to enter a brief description for every bunch
of edits (just as you have to do when you update a wikipedia page)
that you upload.
Strictly have the option of entering, not have to enter. Comments are
optional.
cheers
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Peter Miller wrote:
I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit
authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for
various reasons.
One of the wonderful things about ODbL is the concept of a collective work
as applied to separate databases.
John McKerrell wrote:
Ah yes, you did mention that the other day. Surely it would only make
the noise when you tried to unload the page though which wouldn't be
so bad?
Well, the way it works at the moment (in sane browsers) is that Potlatch
sends a message via JS every time the dirty
Roman Neumüller wrote:
And: the same idea might apply for potlatch's flash/yahoo image data!
Wouldn't it be nice to have already downloaded images cached ?!?
Potlatch just uses the Yahoo API, it doesn't really do any further
fiddling[1] as that would be outwith the ToS and I prefer to tread
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
IIRC, you could catch the onunload event of the browser window
via javascript and tell potlach. Yes, I know this should go to the
-dev mailing list (and that patches are welcome, etc).
:) I posted about this the other day:
Iván Sánchez Ortega-3 wrote:
AFAIK, the 0.6 API requires a comment when opening a changeset (I might be
wrong on this
You are. :)
The wiki doc just says advised. There is no explicit reference to
comment, or any other tag, within the changeset model or controller.
If you think through how an
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Soundy overly complex compared to just using pdftotext and then
parsing the resulting ASCII text, unless of course there's OCR
involved which would rule out this approach.
Doesn't preserve the layout, in particular the columns, well enough. The UK
rail timetable PDF is
Shaun McDonald wrote:
http://openstreetmap.org/browse/way/22359503/history looks like it is
a 2 node way. Seems that there is a bug in Potlatch, causing it to not
show the coastline here.
But the way contains the same node twice, thus is meaningless. That's not a
bug in Potlatch, that's
Thomas Wood wrote:
In other news, I've converted the 12nm line around the UK and Ireland
to be fully tagged, so it's now showing in its own bubble on the
mapnik render.
Ugh. Can we (ping steve8) get some way of tagging this differently so it
_doesn't_ show? It looks really, really ugly.
Roman Neumüller wrote:
I occasioanlly open hires areas in JOSM when stumbling over
them. Boy: what a whole bunch of errors one then starts to
fix...! All potlatch-related I suppose (sorry Rich ;-)
I'd prefer (mandy rice-davieswell, I would, wouldn't I/mandy
rice-davies) all n00b-related.
Peter Miller wrote:
Potlatch does sometime create duplicate ways for me when I
splits features. These duplicates are invisible using Potlatch
and the quantity of them varies from occasion to occasion.
This is a server issue more than anything else: it happens in times of
server slowness. I
Marc Schütz wrote:
The solution is either to move splitting ways entirely to the server (so,
although the user hits 'split', the way isn't actually split until the
server returns a message), or to fix the server. I'd be interested to know
_why_ the server runs so slowly at certain times.
Gert Gremmen wrote:
POTLATCH NEEDS IMPROVEMENT
Yeah, well spotted, genius. Where's your fucking patch?
Meanwhile - oh look, what's that on my screen? Fuck me if it isn't the
fucking Potlatch source. Maybe I'm improving the fucking thing.
http://www.systemeD.net/osm/screenshot.png
Maybe a
Gert Gremmen wrote:
Thank you Thomas,
The image you provided to prove your solution
was a complete surprise to me and may contribute to a
solution for this everlasting Potlatch Critic.
You are right, and I am right.
My screen looks entirely different, due to the missed option
(I mean: I
Ted Mielczarek wrote:
I went to look at an area I edited last week in the Mapnik
rendering, and noticed it looked wrong. I thought maybe my edits
hadn't been picked up somehow, so I looked at the data view on the
slippy map. It matched the rendering. So I thought maybe Potlatch
had
Erik Johansson wrote:
PS. The current tools for change monitoring are actually only
for spotting edits not changes, i.e. you don't see the changes
people make only the new version they upload. Having a see
changes would be nice
API 0.6 will enable the site to do a lot of this, if I'm
Phillip Barnett wrote:
I believe Richard did the rectification for Potlatch and claims it to be
better than JOSM's.
True for NPE but not for Yahoo - Potlatch just uses the standard Yahoo Flash
component, it doesn't do any extra fiddling around (well, other than a tiny
tweak to get the
brendan barrett wrote:
It never hurts getting others to review things. You don't need
to stop development on API 0.6 to do a review.
We are IMO too far down the road with API 0.6 to review the _design_. It is,
after all, mostly coded: you can check out the API 0.6 branch and use it
with JOSM,
Michal Migurski wrote:
I'm hesitant to blow away the existing guide, but I wonder if it
can be moved behind a disambiguation page? Something that
lets you understand different levels of involvement: found a
mistake, need to add a street, have a spreadsheet of local
amenities, live in the
Gervase Markham wrote:
Who runs the NPE maps server? Nick Black? Another Nick?
nick.dev.openstreetmap.org is Nick Whitelegg, I think.
For NPE, however, JOSM should ideally use the 900913 tiles at
npe.openstreetmap.org, which are better rectified. Thomas, you were working
on a way for JOSM to
Andy Allan wrote:
Wait - who are you, and what have you done with RichardF?
I'm Fake SteveC. At least that's what people keep telling me.
cheers
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
this will not be the case anymore with 0.6.
It's even better than that. When Potlatch asks the server for ways in the
current bounding box (which it does most times you pan or zoom), it'll ask
for the version, too. If there are any ways that have been recently revised,
Steven Le Roux wrote:
Pieren will now largely diffuse his JOSM plugin for cadastre, and
the work will be easier and quicker.
Is the source for this available anywhere? I'd like to see whether the
cadastre rasters could work as a Potlatch background. (I suspect the
projection would be the
Frankie Roberto wrote:
There also seems to be the Pennine Cycleway
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennine_Cycleway), which I've
never seen signposted.
It's Sustrans National Route 68, the whole of which (well, except for two
alternative braids) is lovingly mapped on OSM, from Derby to
Pieren wrote:
Richard, we will contact you later if we see that Potlatch could add
this as a WMS background. This would be really fantastic.
Great - look forward to it. And congratulations on getting the agreement.
cheers
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Peter Miller wrote:
There is huge difference between the majority being ask one
by one to 'relicense or leave now', and one where we are
asked if we support it and then later being asked to accept
the majority verdict (which is very likely to be in favour
of re-licensing).
On
andrzej zaborowski wrote:
AFAIK by having the actual data under the evolving license you
expose it to the sum of all the loopholes present in any
version of the license as it evolved.
...is true, but rather pales into insignificance against the fact that
CC-BY-SA is almost certainly not
Peter Miller wrote:
I am however very very interested in who will be able to change
the license and how much?
[...]
Who will be able to make changes? I don't know and I don't think
the foundation knows either - they certainly haven't said.
Whoever is chosen to host the licence. I don't
Erik Lundin wrote:
But how can the nodes be listed as members of way 29370058 when
they are deleted?
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-January/013540.html
and passim
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Jürgen Reimann wrote:
Does anybody know, who (in person) is responsible for the
information provided by Google-Maps.
A bloke called Ed. You can read his blog at
http://fakeedparsons.blogspot.com/ . Thanks.
Richard
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
the German community takes offence at user:chriscf's deletion
of the smoothness voting result from approved features and
moving it to rejected features in spite of of there having been
a proper vote with an approved outcome.
Then the German community should come
(Nop's e-mail went to me rather than the list but I'm guessing that
was a mistake - and he probably expressed the other side best)
Nop wrote:
I would consider it the basic principle of democracy/a community
that things established by vote need to be changed by vote, even if
the need for
Frederik Ramm wrote:
This is my main complaint about the voting system too. But
in the specific case of smoothness, it seems to me that
there is probably nobody here who can be said to not know
anything about the subject
Disagree strongly - it depends entirely where you're mapping. I
Erik Johansson wrote:
How should I tag this is one of the most commonly asked
questions. The wiki vote system works as a good system for
commenting on proposals,you system does not help this.
Sure it does - Talk: pages. Or even a tagging@ list. You don't need a system
to have discussion, it
Sven Rautenberg wrote:
I take it that you oppose this tag. Why haven't you said so in
the voting section until now?
For the same reason that no-one on talk-de ever submits any patches to
Potlatch?
( :) too)
cheers
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Pieren Pieren wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
The problem is that people vote on tags:
- without knowing anything about the subject
- without ever having mapped the feature in question
- without any intention of ever mapping the feature in question
Wow, then you are against the principle
Nop wrote:
Well, you are proposing a differnt kind of vote by usage of tags.
Not solely. Lemme explain.
At present, we have Tagwatch, which just lists usage per tag. I'm suggesting
(just as a half-baked idea) that we have a sort of floaty
cloud-Tagwatch-on-steroids. So you might have:
Gert Gremmen wrote:
I have started a Potlatch readme section on the Wiki
to find that it has been unlinked from the
main Potlatch help page.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Potlatchaction=history
(cur) (last) 20:01, 14 January 2009 Richard (Talk | contribs) (4,200 bytes)
Ulf Lamping wrote:
I guess you want to missunderstand this tag.
The tag name should be descriptive. If there's widespread misunderstanding,
then the tag was misnamed. (And besides, the wheeled point still doesn't
address that what's good for an MTB is bad for a tourer.)
Do you know a *walker*
Ulf Lamping wrote:
Yes, if it would use descriptive terms it might solve some
problems. But if you think of a better solution it gets really
difficult to find better terms thats aimed towards something.
smoothness:vehicle would make sense to me. But, you know, water under
the bridge and
Joe Richards wrote:
I have been doing some mapping in New Zealand recently,
and came across the page which discusses a potential import
of all the roads and streets in New Zealand in one fell swoop,
thanks to Land Information New Zealand/LINZ giving the
go-ahead for this.
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