Re: [talk-au] Blanchetown

2009-12-05 Thread John Henderson
Liz wrote: > This Christmas Peter and I will be visiting Adelaide, so if we make one trip > via the Sturt we could map one town / village reasonably well. > Pre-plan and we'll have a virtual mapping party on the Sturt Highway. If you zoom in on the whereis map, you'll see two roads whose names a

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm Date: 2009/12/6 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > The ODbL is overseen by a board which, as well as Jordan, Charlott

Re: [talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread John Smith
2009/12/6 Elizabeth Dodd : > I too am seeing a fork in Australia as a result of this. At this stage it seems very early in the debate about if the new license should be adopted, anything else will depend on the outcome of that. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: > 2009/12/5 Liz : > > Only those who belonged to OSMF in Oct 09 will get a vote. Those who are > > 'merely' contributors will only get to be asked if they will relicense > > their data or not. Only data from people who agree to relicensing will go > > forward i

Re: [talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread John Smith
2009/12/5 Liz : > Only those who belonged to OSMF in Oct 09 will get a vote. Those who are > 'merely' contributors will only get to be asked if they will relicense their > data or not. Only data from people who agree to relicensing will go forward > into the new licence. I wonder if this will be t

Re: [talk-au] [Osmf-talk] my views on the ODbL

2009-12-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
On 05/12/2009 21:31, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > The proposed licence is not a benefit to Australians in my view. You have generously qualified this with "in my view" and I should point out that I disagree with all the force I can muster. I spent about two hours this morning writing a pretty detaile

Re: [talk-au] Boundary ways/relations

2009-12-05 Thread Liz
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, James Livingston wrote: > On 05/12/2009, at 7:10 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: > > In places where this is the case, and there is no good survey data for > > the creek, I generally re-use the way to be the creek as well. > > This is what I've been doing. If I know there is a currently u

Re: [talk-au] Boundary ways/relations

2009-12-05 Thread James Livingston
On 05/12/2009, at 7:10 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: > In places where this is the case, and there is no good survey data for the > creek, I generally re-use the way to be the creek as well. This is what I've been doing. If I know there is a currently unmapped creek/river which roughly follows the bound

Re: [talk-au] Blanchetown

2009-12-05 Thread Liz
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, John Henderson wrote: > > There is a lot of empty space in real life in that district. > > True, but compare these for an example of what I mean: > > http://www.whereis.com/sa/waikerie?id=21ADA5CC8AE6F4 > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.1803&lon=140.017&zoom=14&layers=B0

Re: [talk-au] Blanchetown

2009-12-05 Thread John Henderson
Liz wrote: > There is a lot of empty space in real life in that district. True, but compare these for an example of what I mean: http://www.whereis.com/sa/waikerie?id=21ADA5CC8AE6F4 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.1803&lon=140.017&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF John

Re: [talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread James Livingston
On 05/12/2009, at 11:30 PM, Grant Slater wrote: > For clarity... the OSM Foundation is not some evil group... > The OSMF is open, anyone from the community can join. The OSMF Board > is democratically elected from the OSMF membership. If anyone who isn't a OSMF member wants to read the discussion,

Re: [talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread Grant Slater
2009/12/5 Liz : > Sadly, I'd like to say that I will not be supporting the proposed new licence. > It is designed around European law, and gives "database protection" which is > not a legal concept which is likely to apply here, after the recent High Court > case Nine vs IceTv, when the database wa

Re: [talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread Grant Slater
2009/12/5 80n <80n...@gmail.com>: > The OSM Foundation can't "force" anyone to relicense their existing data For clarity... the OSM Foundation is not some evil group... The OSMF is open, anyone from the community can join. The OSMF Board is democratically elected from the OSMF membership. OSMF Boa

Re: [talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread James Livingston
On 05/12/2009, at 10:29 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: > Certainly we should make this case clear to the OSM community. > Database protection always seemed to be a euro-centric ideal and not > one that the new licence analysis seemed to respond to adequately. > However, I believe that the ODbL c

Re: [talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread 80n
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Liz wrote: > > There has been a great number of mails on osmf-talk about an upcoming > vote on > > the database licence. > But no notice on the site or wiki. I suppose it isn't "official" > discussio

Re: [talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Liz wrote: > There has been a great number of mails on osmf-talk about an upcoming vote on > the database licence. But no notice on the site or wiki. I suppose it isn't "official" discussion. > Sadly, I'd like to say that I will not be supporting the proposed new

[talk-au] Database licence

2009-12-05 Thread Liz
There has been a great number of mails on osmf-talk about an upcoming vote on the database licence. Sadly, I'd like to say that I will not be supporting the proposed new licence. It is designed around European law, and gives "database protection" which is not a legal concept which is likely to a

Re: [talk-au] Blanchetown

2009-12-05 Thread Liz
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, John Henderson wrote: > I should be there sometime during the Tour Down Under, if no-one else > gets the opportunity before then. > > But a quick look around suggests there's a lot to be done all the way > from Renmark. > > John > There is a lot of empty space in real life in t

Re: [talk-au] Blanchetown

2009-12-05 Thread John Henderson
I should be there sometime during the Tour Down Under, if no-one else gets the opportunity before then. But a quick look around suggests there's a lot to be done all the way from Renmark. John Liz wrote: > I've just put in some of Blanchetown SA > I believe it has a grid of streets but my surv

[talk-au] Blanchetown

2009-12-05 Thread Liz
I've just put in some of Blanchetown SA I believe it has a grid of streets but my survey doesn't actually line up into a neat grid Then there is a random lot of roads near the Murray. Any mapper going near Blanchetown, turn off the highway and improve on the town please. Liz