Re: [talk-au] Bring all hats!

2011-07-14 Thread Steve Coast
Sounds great and I look forward to it :-) On 7/11/2011 6:55 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: Hi Steve, Yes, I've got my tickets to SOTM and I hope you bring all your hats with you. In my spare time I develop some specialised applications for various sports/pastimes and I think OSM can be useful

[talk-au] Hitting reset on talk-au

2011-07-11 Thread Steve Coast
I'm speaking strictly personally here, posting to talk@ and opengeodata. OSM often crosses bridges in it's growth. Mostly they're technical, like introducing color maps, rendering new things or speeding up the system. We have a much more ugly bridge to cross in front of us. Would you want to

Re: [talk-au] Bing

2011-07-11 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/11/2011 6:13 AM, Sam Couter wrote: Andrew Harveyandrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: That is, if OSM were as rigorous as Debian we wouldn't allow this as it is in violation of point 8 of the DFSG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines I'm glad somebody has mentioned

Re: [talk-au] Fw: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011

2011-07-11 Thread Steve Coast
It would be wonderful if people from talk-au were able to apply for this, and come to SOTM. It's a super fun event. Steve On 6/19/2011 2:35 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: Hi The OpenStreetMap conference, State of the Map, is offering scholarships. Details below. Note that nominations close on

Re: [talk-au] Going separate ways

2011-07-10 Thread Steve Coast
On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:22 PM, David Murn wrote: I think the biggest problem people in .au had was that there were some issues which were specific to the Australian usage of OSM (imports of gov data, etc). Those who sought to change the licence claimed to be listening to people, but when

Re: [talk-au] Going separate ways

2011-07-10 Thread Steve Coast
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:22 PM, John Smith wrote: You keep making the same mistakes, and of course nothing is being resolved because you stick your head in the sand and try and pretend it will just magically take care of itself, all you are achieving lately is showing how arrogant you can be and

Re: [talk-au] Going separate ways

2011-07-10 Thread Steve Coast
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:45 PM, John Smith wrote: On 11 July 2011 12:42, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:34 PM, John Smith wrote: On 11 July 2011 12:30, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: It's not worth my time responding to messages like this. I wrote

[talk-au] missing messages

2011-07-08 Thread Steve Coast
It's been pointed out that I'm not replying to hundreds of messages from John Smith, Anthony and friends. I don't see them as they're automatically deleted. I find life is better without having the trolls fill my inbox. However, if I have missed any reasonable points in there then feel free

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/7/2011 9:37 PM, James Andrewartha wrote: On 8 July 2011 11:26, SteveCst...@asklater.com wrote: This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's not much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where we are at and now it's down to people

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Thread Steve Coast
stopped, that's right, there was no other aerial imagery. I just checked again now and Bing actually seems pretty ok... Maybe I'll start again sometime...but honestly, I'm not really in the mood lately. Maybe after a steak dinner or two... :P On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Steve Coast st

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/8/2011 5:04 AM, Sam Couter wrote: SteveCst...@asklater.com wrote: No, John smith and friends are a separate issue, they troll many different discussions. Who are and friends? I only watch talk-au so if there's trolling going on elsewhere I haven't seen it. What I have seen is you

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/8/2011 4:28 AM, Sam Couter wrote: Also, your frame of reference is with OSM up and running and having these kinds of relationships. When I started OSM we had no data at all and nobody wanted to give us data under any license, let alone cc. So those of us who climbed the mountain to get

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Thread Steve Coast
Anthony The reason we have a hostile relationship is because of all your spamming and trolling. You were kicked from the legal list, the only person I'm aware of to have managed that. I suspect the real reason you want a nice relationship is funding and other benefits we've worked hard for,

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/8/2011 2:01 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:05:28 -0700 Steve Coastst...@asklater.com wrote: If you go look at talk@ you'll find a lot of history from the people who now inhabit this list. In fact, several of them have either been banned or moderated. big snip of

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Coast
FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons. The people running it are ineffective, the data will be incompatible when OSM switches, fosm doesn't have any of the agreements to derive data from aerial imagery. I could go on, but those are the big ticket items. Everyone should be aware of

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/7/2011 7:15 AM, 80n wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote: FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons. The people running it are ineffective, the data will be incompatible when OSM switches, fosm doesn't

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/7/2011 7:40 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote: You've been very successful at perverting certain sections of the community, Australia being a good example ... Steve, please don't

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Coast
Why did you stop then? Is there no aerial imagery where you are other than nearmap? On 7/7/2011 8:03 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote: ...I believe we should spend energy enlightening aerial

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Thread Steve Coast
This is exactly right. On 7/6/2011 5:35 AM, Chris Barham wrote: Hi Andrew, On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 21:29, Andrew Harveyandrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: snip Are you moving to the fosm db? If so, great! Less problems with trying to merge your data into fosm, and we can all get back to mapping.

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/6/2011 3:20 PM, Sam Couter wrote: Steve Coastst...@asklater.com wrote: This is exactly right. It's only exactly right if you don't have a problem with the new licence, with the process by which it was implemented, with mass deletion of data, with the proliferation of incompatible open