[talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-15 Thread Brett Russell
Well took the punt to start aligning Devonport Streets to my GPS. Rather unwilling to apply my view of the World that the Garmin 62s is spot on but it appears to be. Nice if we had references to check against. Anyway hope I am not mucking anyone else up Also good to put in the missing interse

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-15 Thread Nick Hocking
Hi Brett, You've just said a *really" controversial phrase (mini roundabouts). In Australia there is a *LOT* of history surrounding these things. I do have a definite opinion on them but I reckon it would be best (if not unbearably tedious) for you to read the many vitiolic posts on this subjec

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-18 Thread Stephen Hope
I've seen it flatly stated that Australia didn't have any real mini-roundabouts. That may have been true once, but the last few new roundabouts I've seen built near me have all been either true mini roundabouts (nothing but paint) or a couple where there is a raised centre concrete disc, but it's

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-18 Thread Brett Russell
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:22:25 +1000 From: slh...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets I've seen it flatly stated that Australia didn't have any real mini-roundabouts. That may have been true once, but the last few new roundabouts I've see

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-19 Thread Ross Scanlon
er to describe the residents views of such things but they do exist. Cheers Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:22:25 +1000 From: slh...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets I've seen

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-19 Thread Michael James
On 09/19/2012 04:35 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: > They are not mini-roundabouts if you can not drive over them. > > Look here: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout > > Also read the Australian Tagging Guidelines here: > > wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Taggin

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-19 Thread Brett Russell
Oops terminological mistake. Looks like they are "small" roundabouts. Thanks, will do. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 19/09/2012, at 7:30 PM, "Michael James" wrote: > On 09/19/2012 04:35 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: >> They are not mini-roundabouts

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-19 Thread Ross Scanlon
On 19/09/12 19:28, Michael James wrote: On 09/19/2012 04:35 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: They are not mini-roundabouts if you can not drive over them. Look here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout Also read the Australian Tagging Guidelines here: wiki.openstreetmap.o

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 September 2012 09:41, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Yes it is a small roundabout as you can not legally drive over it unless > it is impractical to do so. > > The vehicle in the street view is clearly about to drive around the center > island. Whereas if it was a truck/bus/caravan it would be able

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread John Henderson
On 20/09/12 18:37, Stephen Hope wrote: Mini-roundabout doesn't mean you can legally drive over it in any vehicle, it means that you can physically drive over it if you need to. The australian guidelines are wrong, in this case. And yes, I know how they evolved to this state, I've kept up on the

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Nick Hocking
Stephen wrote "there is now a need for using mini-roundabout in Australia." I always like to simplify things (maybe too much sometimes). How about If the approaches to the intersection/junction have "roundabout signs" then it is a roundabout, roundabout laws apply and we should tag it junct

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm not saying that a mini-roundabout isn't a roundabout, it is, and all the normal signs and laws apply. What it also is, however, is traversable. If you have a vehicle that cannot go around it, because it is too large, then you're allowed to go over it. I'd be just a happy to use a normal round

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Nick Hocking
Stephen wrote "I'd be just a happy to use a normal roundabout way, and mark it as traversable with traversable=yes" Yes - an excellent suggestion. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-21 Thread Ross Scanlon
On 20/09/12 18:37, Stephen Hope wrote: On 20 September 2012 09:41, Ross Scanlon mailto:i...@4x4falcon.com>> wrote: Yes it is a small roundabout as you can not legally drive over it unless it is impractical to do so. The vehicle in the street view is clearly about to drive around th

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-21 Thread Ross Scanlon
On 20/09/12 22:30, Stephen Hope wrote: I'm not saying that a mini-roundabout isn't a roundabout, it is, and all the normal signs and laws apply. What it also is, however, is traversable. If you have a vehicle that cannot go around it, because it is too large, then you're allowed to go over it.

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-21 Thread John Henderson
On 20/09/12 22:41, Ross Scanlon wrote: No, a mini-roundabout can be traversed by ANY vehicle legally and this is not the case in Australia. You can only do so where impracticable for the vehicle. That bit about "ANY vehicle" is not part of the current definition of a mini_roundabout in OSM.