Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-30 Thread Ian Sergeant
> On 30 Apr 2014, at 10:53 pm, Michael Gratton wrote: > Yeah, I noticed that last night. My inclination was to pretend it isn't a > problem until the LPI comes around, then make everything align to that. :) I > don't disagree that adjacent property boundaries should share ways, but I'm > incl

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-30 Thread Michael Gratton
On Wed, 30 Apr, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 30 April 2014 00:10, Michael Gratton wrote: The changeset is here: , does anyone have any comments about how it could be improved? Personally - 1. I wouldn't use the new source va

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-30 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 30 April 2014 00:10, Michael Gratton wrote: > The changeset is here: , > does anyone have any comments about how it could be improved? Personally - 1. I wouldn't use the new source value ABS SSC_2011_AUST. I've used ABS2011-data.gov.au, and t

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-29 Thread Michael Gratton
On Wed, 30 Apr, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: Thanks Ian. :-) +1! :) Fixed it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-29 Thread Ben Kelley
Thanks Ian. :-) On Apr 30, 2014 7:31 AM, "Ian Sergeant" wrote: > Admin_centre. > > On 30 Apr 2014, at 6:11 am, Ben Kelley wrote: > > Hi. > > I seem to remember there is a way to add the node to a relation so that it > marks where the name should go for the boundary. > >- Ben > >

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-29 Thread Ian Sergeant
Admin_centre. > On 30 Apr 2014, at 6:11 am, Ben Kelley wrote: > > Hi. > > I seem to remember there is a way to add the node to a relation so that it > marks where the name should go for the boundary. > >- Ben ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@op

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-29 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. I seem to remember there is a way to add the node to a relation so that it marks where the name should go for the boundary. - Ben. On Apr 30, 2014 12:11 AM, "Michael Gratton" wrote: > > I noticed that as for many suburbs in SA, since I replaced the place=suburb node previously used the

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-29 Thread Michael Gratton
On Tue, 29 Apr, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Alex Sims wrote: On 28 Apr 2014, at 1:53 pm, Michael Gratton wrote: On a related note, what's the appropriate way to map suburb-sized areas that are partitions? A way for each suburb that share nodes along common borders, a way for each suburb that don't

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-28 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 29 April 2014 12:56, Jason Ward wrote: > I have intentions of following the British structure for QLD boundaries (no > permission to use this dataset yet). Boundary is the chosen type there: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1464290 > > multipolygon, though, is "winning" that race it see

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-28 Thread Jason Ward
I have intentions of following the British structure for QLD boundaries (no permission to use this dataset yet). Boundary is the chosen type there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1464290 multipolygon, though, is "winning" that race it seems: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/type > >

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-28 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 29 April 2014 11:02, Alex Sims wrote: > I’d prefer relations that depend on single ways, this avoids JOSM > complaining too much about duplicate ways and can also tie into the > definition in words that might belong in Wikipedia. Yes. I general I do too. However, we should only use the way

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-28 Thread Alex Sims
On 28 Apr 2014, at 1:53 pm, Michael Gratton wrote: > On a related note, what's the appropriate way to map suburb-sized areas that > are partitions? A way for each suburb that share nodes along common borders, > a way for each suburb that don't duplicate nodes along common borders, or > using

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-28 Thread Ian Sergeant
> On 28 Apr 2014, at 10:48 pm, Michael Gratton So how accurate does it have to be? For example, I just downloaded Andrew's > ABS OSM converted datafile (thanks Andrew!), loaded it into JOSM, and have > been eyeballing the differences for the ABS version of Randwick with the LPI > cadastre usin

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-28 Thread Michael Gratton
On Mon, 28 Apr, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 28 April 2014 14:23, Michael Gratton wrote: So you are saying the ABS suburb boundaries should be checked individually rather than imported en mass? How do you know that the quality of the GNB/Wikipedia/etc data is any better than

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-27 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 28 April 2014 14:23, Michael Gratton wrote: > So you are saying the ABS suburb boundaries should be checked individually > rather than imported en mass? How do you know that the quality of the > GNB/Wikipedia/etc data is any better than that of the ABS dataset where they > disagree? Yes. Fir

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-27 Thread Michael Gratton
Hey Ian, On Sun, 27 Apr, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: I don't really agree. I think we need suburb boundaries to be as accurate as we can make them at the time we create them, and not do a mass import leaving us with thousands of FIXMEs. Importing data we know is wrong at the time

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-27 Thread Andrew Harvey
On 27 April 2014 10:47, Ian Sergeant wrote: > I have all the boundaries from ABS in OSM format in single file by > suburb. If anyone would like a copy of the zip file, just drop me a > note. I think Andrew has much the same on his website somewhere. http://tianjara.net/data/osm/imports/SSC_2011

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-26 Thread Ian Sergeant
I don't really agree. I think we need suburb boundaries to be as accurate as we can make them at the time we create them, and not do a mass import leaving us with thousands of FIXMEs. Importing data we know is wrong at the time we import it is the wrong thing to do. I've created manysuburb bound

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-21 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. My memory of the last abs import was that it was reasonably accurate, but not always totally accurate. As such it is definitely worth importing from a data quality point of view. A way to deal with updates would be good though. Is there an ID that from abs for the boundaries that could be ke

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-21 Thread Daniel O'Connor
> This is interesting. Looking at < http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australian_government_public_information_datasets>, it seems ABS data should already be fine to use, and is indeed already in use for suburbs. However from the import plan page < http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/I

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-21 Thread Michael Gratton
On Mon, 21 Apr, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: On 20 April 2014 23:36, Daniel O'Connor wrote: A corresponding data set might be: https://sdi.nsw.gov.au/sdi.nsw.gov.au/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B012BD68E-569E-4965-A4B0-48CBBBA64FF4%7D ... though you'd want to g

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-20 Thread Andrew Harvey
On 20 April 2014 23:36, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > A corresponding data set might be: > https://sdi.nsw.gov.au/sdi.nsw.gov.au/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B012BD68E-569E-4965-A4B0-48CBBBA64FF4%7D > > ... though you'd want to get in contact with the maintainers and get an > alternative

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-20 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Oh, and streets too are the result of open data - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia#Roads - well worth doing if you have a public transport agency that consumes openstreetmap for some of its journey planning, etc. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Daniel O'Connor w

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-20 Thread Daniel O'Connor
So, the SA stuff is the result of an import. A corresponding data set might be: https://sdi.nsw.gov.au/sdi.nsw.gov.au/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B012BD68E-569E-4965-A4B0-48CBBBA64FF4%7D ... though you'd want to get in contact with the maintainers and get an alternative licence+ex

[talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

2014-04-20 Thread Michael Gratton
Hey list, So I just returned from Adelaide and was rather impressed with how well mapped the place is. In particular, it was cool that metro suburb boundaries were mapped out, such that searching for streets worked well. Does anyone know what the status is for adding suburb boundaries for S