Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Intersections with duplicate ways and turn lanes

[Andrew Harvey]

Thanks I see what you mean by these changes (much easier to visualise in
OSMCha).

Usually I see this as an older style mapping, before turn lane tagging was
more common and sometimes done for routing so that people were warned
earlier. But these days it's much better to use turn:lanes tagging and only
split the way at the point where you can no longer physically change lanes.

It's possible to revert changesets, but it's not always straightforward.

Leaving a changeset comment is the best first step, as they might not be
aware of standard practice and other tags like turn:lanes.

On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 08:07,  wrote:

> Thanks Andrew, that was my last understanding as well. In particular,
> modeling right hand turns as separate, curved ways when there is no
> separate roadway.
>
> Here are of changesets which introduce the types of issues I mentioned.
> They mostly seem to be around dual carriageways.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/108100471#map=15/-37.8844/145.2793
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82795947#map=14/-37.9685/145.0608
> 
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82695023#map=14/-37.9878/145.0739=N
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/109871984#map=15/-38.1460/145.1279=N
>
>
> Diacritic
>
> On 2021-09-13 06:57, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> Do you have a link to a changeset of one you worked on?
>
> I haven't been able to find an example of where it was an issue, but
> generally the rule of thumb is only using separate ways when they are
> physically separated, so sometimes you're splitting into two parallel ways
> for either direction, but not usually for each lane of the road in a single
> direction.
>
> On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 01:15,  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm relatively new, but I wanted to bring something g to your attention.
>
>
> I came across a couple of intersections that seemed overly complicated;
> they had lots of turn lanes drawn and were very messy. I created an
> account, learned the standards for intersections and tried my best to fix
> them. I started at Heidelberg Rd/Chandler Hwy, and then found more on Punt
> Road/Hoddle St. I changed those as best I could as well. Then I saw more,
> and more. Once I started looking, it was everywhere; intersections with
> multiple ways for lanes, two or three turn lanes with broken restrictions.
> The West Gate has some sections of parallel lanes as ways for a few hundred
> meters. Whenever I try and route using one of these intersections, there
> are multiple confusing steps and "forks" that don't exist in reality
>
>
> Almost all the edits have been from one user; I've sent them a message on
> their most recent change set, but I'm daunted by the scale of the fixes
> required. Does this group have any suggestions on where and how to start?
>
>
>
> thanks
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Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Intersections with duplicate ways and turn lanes

[me]

Thanks Andrew, that was my last understanding as well. In particular, 
modeling right hand turns as separate, curved ways when there is no 
separate roadway.


Here are of changesets which introduce the types of issues I mentioned. 
They mostly seem to be around dual carriageways.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/108100471#map=15/-37.8844/145.2793

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82795947#map=14/-37.9685/145.0608 
[1]


https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82695023#map=14/-37.9878/145.0739=N

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/109871984#map=15/-38.1460/145.1279=N

Diacritic

On 2021-09-13 06:57, Andrew Harvey wrote:


Do you have a link to a changeset of one you worked on?

I haven't been able to find an example of where it was an issue, but 
generally the rule of thumb is only using separate ways when they are 
physically separated, so sometimes you're splitting into two parallel 
ways for either direction, but not usually for each lane of the road in 
a single direction.


On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 01:15,  wrote:


Hi,

I'm relatively new, but I wanted to bring something g to your 
attention.


I came across a couple of intersections that seemed overly 
complicated; they had lots of turn lanes drawn and were very messy. I 
created an account, learned the standards for intersections and tried 
my best to fix them. I started at Heidelberg Rd/Chandler Hwy, and then 
found more on Punt Road/Hoddle St. I changed those as best I could as 
well. Then I saw more, and more. Once I started looking, it was 
everywhere; intersections with multiple ways for lanes, two or three 
turn lanes with broken restrictions. The West Gate has some sections 
of parallel lanes as ways for a few hundred meters. Whenever I try and 
route using one of these intersections, there are multiple confusing 
steps and "forks" that don't exist in reality


Almost all the edits have been from one user; I've sent them a message 
on their most recent change set, but I'm daunted by the scale of the 
fixes required. Does this group have any suggestions on where and how 
to start?


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Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Intersections with duplicate ways and turn lanes

[Andrew Harvey]

Do you have a link to a changeset of one you worked on?

I haven't been able to find an example of where it was an issue, but
generally the rule of thumb is only using separate ways when they are
physically separated, so sometimes you're splitting into two parallel ways
for either direction, but not usually for each lane of the road in a single
direction.

On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 01:15,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I’m relatively new, but I wanted to bring something g to your attention.
>
>
> I came across a couple of intersections that seemed overly complicated;
> they had lots of turn lanes drawn and were very messy. I created an
> account, learned the standards for intersections and tried my best to fix
> them. I started at Heidelberg Rd/Chandler Hwy, and then found more on Punt
> Road/Hoddle St. I changed those as best I could as well. Then I saw more,
> and more. Once I started looking, it was everywhere; intersections with
> multiple ways for lanes, two or three turn lanes with broken restrictions.
> The West Gate has some sections of parallel lanes as ways for a few hundred
> meters. Whenever I try and route using one of these intersections, there
> are multiple confusing steps and “forks” that don’t exist in reality
>
>
> Almost all the edits have been from one user; I’ve sent them a message on
> their most recent change set, but I’m daunted by the scale of the fixes
> required. Does this group have any suggestions on where and how to start?
>
>
>
> thanks
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[talk-au] Melbourne Intersections with duplicate ways and turn lanes

[me]

Hi,

I'm relatively new, but I wanted to bring something g to your attention.

I came across a couple of intersections that seemed overly complicated; 
they had lots of turn lanes drawn and were very messy. I created an 
account, learned the standards for intersections and tried my best to 
fix them. I started at Heidelberg Rd/Chandler Hwy, and then found more 
on Punt Road/Hoddle St. I changed those as best I could as well. Then I 
saw more, and more. Once I started looking, it was everywhere; 
intersections with multiple ways for lanes, two or three turn lanes with 
broken restrictions. The West Gate has some sections of parallel lanes 
as ways for a few hundred meters. Whenever I try and route using one of 
these intersections, there are multiple confusing steps and "forks" that 
don't exist in reality


Almost all the edits have been from one user; I've sent them a message 
on their most recent change set, but I'm daunted by the scale of the 
fixes required. Does this group have any suggestions on where and how to 
start?


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Re: [talk-au] Friend requests from 'Porn Bots'

[Simon Poole]

Am 12.09.2021 um 13:56 schrieb Andy Townsend:


It'll hopefully be deleted by the time that anyone gets to read this, 
so not much point really.



Getting their link distributed is exactly what the operators want, so 
-never- do that.




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Re: [talk-au] Friend requests from 'Porn Bots'

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au]

>> but I was wondering if anybody else has seen dodgy friend  requests
>>
>
> There were a few last month: > 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-August/014922.html>  
> and they just seem to have kicked off again.  I've seen reports  
> elsewhere and have had a couple myself.
>
>
> The best thing to do is to click the "report user" button in the  user 
> profile and report it as spam. The admins tend to delete them  fairly 
> quickly.
>
>
See also https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/3310
for some possible systematic solutions

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Re: [talk-au] Friend requests from 'Porn Bots'

[Brendan Barnes]

And here I was thinking some very attractive people want to be my Mapping
Friends today...



On Sun, 12 Sept 2021 at 21:59, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 12/09/2021 12:44, Matthew Davalle wrote:
>
> Having some weird friend requests coming through after submitting
> changesets to OSM, one I account was deleted however the second account
> still exists
>
> That's normal - it just means that someone has reported it and it has
> already been deleted.
>
>
> and has a hyperlink in their bio linking to what seems to be some dodgy
> porn site with the link using openstreetmap.org as a referee in the URL.
>
> Dunno if it's appropriate to attach the URL of said account to this post
>
> It'll hopefully be deleted by the time that anyone gets to read this, so
> not much point really.
>
>
> but I was wondering if anybody else has seen dodgy friend requests
>
> There were a few last month:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-August/014922.html
> and they just seem to have kicked off again.  I've seen reports elsewhere
> and have had a couple myself.
>
> The best thing to do is to click the "report user" button in the user
> profile and report it as spam. The admins tend to delete them fairly
> quickly.
>
>
> (It's the first time I've seen it and I've been mapping for nearly 2 years)
>
> Welcome back!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
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Re: [talk-au] Friend requests from 'Porn Bots'

[Andy Townsend]

On 12/09/2021 12:44, Matthew Davalle wrote:
Having some weird friend requests coming through after submitting 
changesets to OSM, one I account was deleted however the second 
account still exists


That's normal - it just means that someone has reported it and it has 
already been deleted.



and has a hyperlink in their bio linking to what seems to be some 
dodgy porn site with the link using openstreetmap.org 
 as a referee in the URL.


Dunno if it's appropriate to attach the URL of said account to this post


It'll hopefully be deleted by the time that anyone gets to read this, so 
not much point really.




but I was wondering if anybody else has seen dodgy friend requests


There were a few last month: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-August/014922.html 
and they just seem to have kicked off again.  I've seen reports 
elsewhere and have had a couple myself.


The best thing to do is to click the "report user" button in the user 
profile and report it as spam. The admins tend to delete them fairly 
quickly.



(It's the first time I've seen it and I've been mapping for nearly 2 
years)


Welcome back!

Best Regards,

Andy


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[talk-au] Friend requests from 'Porn Bots'

[Matthew Davalle]

Having some weird friend requests coming through after submitting
changesets to OSM, one I account was deleted however the second account
still exists and has a hyperlink in their bio linking to what seems to be
some dodgy porn site with the link using openstreetmap.org as a referee in
the URL.

Dunno if it's appropriate to attach the URL of said account to this post
but I was wondering if anybody else has seen dodgy friend requests (It's
the first time I've seen it and I've been mapping for nearly 2 years)

Thanks
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