[Talk-us] Oklahoma State Highway 18A

2014-04-13 Thread Paul Johnson
I can't seem to locate this highway except where it starts on an OklaDOT map near the Chickasaw National Recreation Area. Does anybody have any idea how far it goes or where it connects to the rest of the state highway system? This one's got me legitimately feeling stupid given I was able to

Re: [Talk-us] Oklahoma State Highway 18A

2014-04-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Yeah, I figured that much out, but what's the magnitude of that vector, and where does it turn to connect to anything else? Even OklaDOT swctionals aren't clear. On Apr 13, 2014 7:39 PM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2014, at 06:48 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I can't

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: This is what the current shield rendering code uses. The only reason the ref tag on ways includes the state abbreviation is that a way may be a member of multiple networks. Can we make this the default mapnik

Re: [OSM-talk] Street cabinets

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Not to bikeshed this, but is the direction of the hinge important? At least around the northwest, due to the prevailing drizzle, cabinet doors on certain utility cabinets open upwards to provide at least some weather protection to the equipment while under maintenance. On Feb 9, 2014 12:43 PM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Forgive the stupid question, but shouldn't this be in the OSM data? On Mar 25, 2014 4:29 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last couple years. I had created a spreadsheet to track

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
:31 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Forgive the stupid question, but shouldn't this be in the OSM data? On Mar 25, 2014 4:29 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last couple

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Ouch! Dealing with a license snarl already so I think I'm going to pass on that right now; is this mixed data or under one license? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Am I wrong

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, so I'm confused, is public domain incompatible? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Ouch! Dealing with a license snarl already so I think I'm going to pass on that right now

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, that's not exactly obvious from that project's page, then. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: OK, so I'm confused, is public domain incompatible? Guessing from the link text

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-21 Thread Paul Johnson
This seems like a solution looking for a problem than anything actually pragmatic and worth doing. It would also needlessly overcomplicate cities that have large areas underground on multiple levels, such as Kansas City. On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Maximum recommended length of ways tagged with layer

2014-03-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mar 21, 2014 4:59 PM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: Example of a problem this should catch: I have seen cases where someone wanted to tag a simple bridge with layer and added the layer to the wrong segment - tagging a hundred or more miles of road accidentally, possibly affecting

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea/Russia/Ukraine Borders

2014-03-18 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm thinking the tagging for Crimea would be similar to what we're seeing right now around Tartupaluk in the ongoing Greenland/Canada border dispute. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: I'm curious how OSM handles this dispute. I expect Russia's

Re: [Talk-us] importing zip codes

2014-02-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Monday, February 17, 2014, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: be aware that these are not official, these are a census bureau construction. There's also the problem that the Census has just made stuff up for areas that are not covered by ZIP codes at all. One instance that came

[OSM-talk] Spam via OSM messaging?

2014-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
Anybody else get a spam via OSM's message system from this user so far or am I the only one? http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Sheila%20Fomba ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap.org Notes to help collect, OpenData

2014-01-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: it's why i run two android devices on my dash, one for OsmAnd and one for OSM Tracker. it's much easier to enter notes into OSM Tracker. I'd consider that more viable if these notes were more readily exported to OSM

Re: [Talk-us] edit-a-thon

2014-01-22 Thread Paul Johnson
We can add Tulsa, Oklahoma to that list with about 10 people in attendance, mostly from Tulsa Web Devs, thanks to a last-minute effort to get involved on the part of the TWDs. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I am preparing a short recap blog

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap.org Notes to help collect OpenData

2014-01-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Looking at various Notes that have been added recently, I see that the description is often too short. Field tools *really* need to be improved to quickly add detailed notes in as few keystrokes as possible. I know this

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-15 Thread Paul Johnson
that community. You can create an event by going to the Home dropdown, click Events, and it's pretty straightforward from there. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: What's wrong

[OSM-talk] Sheild Renderer

2014-01-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.uswrote: I'm primarily motivated by supporting the shield renderer that'll hopefully go up on osm.org someday. So any county or township that doesn't signpost its routes is not a particularly high priority for me. What's

Re: [Talk-us] Relation member order/structure; best effort worth it?

2014-01-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Peter Davies peter.dav...@crc-corp.comwrote: We would post the cardinal directions using tags for each whole directional relation. However where the Muskogee Turnpike turns from E-W to S-N, or has some even more complex deal such as E +ve and N -ve, the

Re: [Talk-us] Post cardinal directions using destination_ref=US 20:east on ramps and carriageways?

2014-01-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Peter Davies peter.dav...@crc-corp.comwrote: I think it's time to start posting cardinal directions and destinations on ramps, and neither relations method (methods #1 or #2) can offer this. Currently US ramps are naked. They have no ref, no name, nothing to

Re: [Talk-us] Quick intro and request to contribute

2014-01-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 1/13/14 5:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Jan 13, 2014 4:10 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: 4) consider combining this project with the construction of county route relations for your area

Re: [Talk-us] Oklahoma relations spreadsheet

2014-01-12 Thread Paul Johnson
other states? Peter On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm working on an Oklahoma route relation spreadsheethttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApYN6sJDLtUJdC10Qm1zWXVLMHoyanEwc1RULW5FUXcusp=sharingto get a better grip on working status of route

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM should delete image caches on exit

2014-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
Caching images for a given session makes lots of sense, but leaving them forever really does not. How do I put a request in to the JOSM developers to ensure that images caches are deleted upon exit from JOSM? As someone in a low-bandwidth situation, I'd prefer to keep the cache; hopefully

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2014-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm curious how this proposal works with roads like the northern section of the Muskogee Turnpike, which officially runs North towards Tulsa, and East towards Muskogee, the road's two terminii. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Martijn van Exel marti...@telenav.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2014-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Peter Davies peter.dav...@crc-corp.comwrote: Paul, One of the things that Martijn and I agree needs to be possible is for routes to change directional posting part-way along. This commonly happens on beltways like that around Minneapolis St-Paul, that around

[Talk-us] Oklahoma relations spreadsheet

2014-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm working on an Oklahoma route relation spreadsheethttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApYN6sJDLtUJdC10Qm1zWXVLMHoyanEwc1RULW5FUXcusp=sharingto get a better grip on working status of route relations in Oklahoma. Please let me know if you want edit access on it (ie, you're actively

Re: [Talk-us] Feature Proposal - RFC - Marijuana

2014-01-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Martijn van Exel mart...@openstreetmap.us wrote: I would look at how these places are already tagged in, say, Amsterdam. I know, I should know, having lived there for 20 years, but I

Re: [Talk-us] Feature Proposal - RFC - Marijuana

2014-01-03 Thread Paul Johnson
Well, let's just inventory Walmart's selection while we're at it. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Adam Schreiber adam.schreiber+...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps shop=marijuana, marijuana:recreational=yes/no, marijuana:medicinal=yes/no, marijuana:paraphernalia=yes/no, marijuana:edibles=yes/no?

Re: [Talk-us] Feature Proposal - RFC - Marijuana

2014-01-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Adam Schreiber adam.schreiber+...@gmail.com wrote: The last two may be crack, but the first two come from my, perhaps mistaken, understanding that not every medicinal dispensary was able to secure a recreational use license. Someone more knowledgeable pleas

Re: [Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteers

2014-01-02 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm interested in working 66 current and future routes in Oklahoma and Tulsa/Fort Smith/Ponca City-adjacent regions of Kansas, Missouri and Arkansas; possibly slightly farther out than that depending on how well I know the land. On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:23 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:41 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: Also, I have noticed you've been doing some editing for the Highway Directions In The United States wiki page [1] and mention the role = north;south idea for single carriageways so that the routes could tell people

Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United States

2013-12-11 Thread Paul Johnson
We should create a general store type value, because Walmart, Supertarget, etc are basically following the Fred Meyer model and Fred Meyer never really stopped calling itself a genderal store until the Kroger merger. Note, I'm only talking about the full-scale Fred Meyer locations (which tend to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013

2013-12-09 Thread Paul Johnson
the color was too subtle for me to see too. Eric On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Eric Fischer wrote: There are only a few colors involved: streets are yellow and railroads are blue, and both are a little brighter

Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013

2013-12-09 Thread Paul Johnson
the color was too subtle for me to see too. Eric On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Eric Fischer wrote: There are only a few colors involved: streets are yellow and railroads are blue, and both are a little brighter

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013

2013-12-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Eric Fischer wrote: There are only a few colors involved: streets are yellow and railroads are blue, and both are a little brighter if they have changed since the 2006 data. Service roads are drawn a little thinner than the rest, following the example of the 2012

Re: [Talk-us] South Carolina State Highways - primary overload

2013-12-08 Thread Paul Johnson
Oregon's suffering from this as well, I've just got too much on my plate to fix the Oregon situation. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:42 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: Is it just me, or are there way too many primary state highways when some of them should really be secondary

Re: [Talk-us] A new tracing layer for TIGER 2013

2013-12-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Eric Fischer wrote: There are only a few colors involved: streets are yellow and railroads are blue, and both are a little brighter if they have changed since the 2006 data. Service roads are drawn a little thinner than the rest, following the example of the 2012

Re: [Talk-us] Marion and Lane County, Oregon county roads

2013-12-08 Thread Paul Johnson
-01, Paul Johnson wrote: Looking at Marion and Lane Counties in Oregon, I'm wondering what the source material is for much of the references, since I'm not familiar with any county road numbers in either of those counties (or for that matter, anywhere else in Oregon, and would consider any county

Re: [Talk-us] Bing imagery update

2013-12-08 Thread Paul Johnson
This seems to have some serious gaps in detail. For example, most of Portland and most of Tulsa is considered as having the same level of detail imagery available. Not so; I can barely make out centerlines and lane lines on the highest level of detail for the Tulsa area, whereas in Portland,

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-12-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Still feeling that cardinal directions only belong as roles in for child relations in super-relations. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I'm new to this list so please bear with me. The relation editor currently only parses 'forward' and

[Talk-us] Marion and Lane County, Oregon county roads

2013-12-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Looking at Marion and Lane Counties in Oregon, I'm wondering what the source material is for much of the references, since I'm not familiar with any county road numbers in either of those counties (or for that matter, anywhere else in Oregon, and would consider any county road ref tagging

[OSM-talk] Watchlist?

2013-11-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Starting to wonder if I'm just being obtuse on this, since it seems like something that should already be available...but how do I watch a specific object for changes, and get an email notification when it does change? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Watchlist?

2013-11-30 Thread Paul Johnson
/13 21:45, Paul Johnson wrote: Starting to wonder if I'm just being obtuse on this, since it seems like something that should already be available...but how do I watch a specific object for changes, and get an email notification when it does change? I'm not really sure what you're talking

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-11-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:39 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: If you want to see an example, download US-30's WV relation [2] into JOSM and change the cardinal roles all back to forward. You can then see the value of those splits in relation analysis inside of JOSM that the

Re: [Talk-us] Currently available good GPS for use with OSM mapping in the USA?

2013-11-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: i think a couple more notes are in order as part of a consumer's guide. the following contains notes on Garmin Android/OsmAnd options Garmin Pros/Cons 1) mkgmap produces useful maps from OSM data Though at least

Re: [Talk-us] Currently available good GPS for use with OSM mapping in the USA?

2013-11-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 11/30/13 6:45 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: 10) decent automotive mounts for 7 tablets are out there. i'm going to try one with the Nexus 7 for my christmas vacation trip from NY state to NC. I'd

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-11-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Nov 18, 2013 7:24 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com wrote: Re the comment by Nathan: “I'm still confused as to why the consumers of a relation can't use the forward/backward roles…” The forward/backward roles only make sense on one-way roads. Individual members of relations that are

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-11-21 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm willing to extend this to any route whose endpoints are undivided. Seems the problem we're ultimately dealing with are situations where a route ends with a median of some type. On Nov 18, 2013 2:42 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/18 Nathan Mills

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-11-21 Thread Paul Johnson
Try looking in the US:OK and US:OK:Turnpike networks. Pretty verigated mix of divided, undivided and intermittently divided routes there. On Nov 18, 2013 3:05 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As a meta comment. I have been trying to follow all of the US route/shield

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-11-18 Thread Paul Johnson
Not a fan. It greatly complicates things for information that can either be gleaned obviously or is a nice to have. Having 3+ relations for something that isn't fully divided just complicates things, with the exception edge case of a relation that starts or ends on a divided highway. On Sun,

Re: [Talk-us] Advice On Data Removal Problem

2013-11-16 Thread Paul Johnson
Have you spoken with the offending mapper about your concerns? In particular, I'd remind him of the maxim of Don't torque the data for a specific renderer. On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: So there is a fairly new mapper in the Phoenix area removing

Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
How about Tulsa, Oklahoma? Closest major metro area to the lower 48's centroid. Can't get much more heartland than that. On Wednesday, November 13, 2013, Eric Theise wrote: No question DC could host SotM US in style, but I'd be thrilled to see it move to the heartland. Too big of a stretch

Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
Then that kind of eliminates everything but Oklahoma from the running. Most affordable state in the nation. On Wednesday, November 13, 2013, Alex Barth wrote: Expenses for attendees are a concern in both places, we want to make sure SOTM-US is as inclusive as possible and this means folks

Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
wrote: Just to remind everyone, we have a sign in the Fremont neighborhood of Seattle that claims it is the Center of the Universe. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.orgwrote: On Friday, November 15, 2013, wrote: Seeing as how the “official” location

Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: If those KDOT signs are near Meades Ranch then they are likely correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meades_Ranch%2C_Kansas -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity. Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Friday, November 15

Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
This actually is the Center of the Universe ( http://urbane-chaos.hubpages.com/hub/TulsaCenteroftheUniverse), it's located in downtown Tulsa (http://osm.org/go/T4_e8jEsA?m=). There's even a festival there every summer

Re: [Talk-us] battlegrid down

2013-11-11 Thread Paul Johnson
I got a challenge: Maintaining existing route relations and turn restrictions, which seem to take a battering from Potlatch and id users disproportionately by removing roles, improperly joining ways, setting incorrect roles (east/west instead of forward/backward on a child way as opposed to a

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

2013-11-08 Thread Paul Johnson
I think highway=unclassified works, particularly if it's the fire lane used for exiting the ferry that's always kept free of the ferry queue; not sure how I'd tag the queue lot. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Martijn van Exel marti...@telenav.com writes:

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

2013-11-08 Thread Paul Johnson
8, 2013 9:16 AM *To:* Paul Johnson *Cc:* talk-us *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] Ferries I'd vote for introducing a new tag, that is highway=ferry_link, rather than trying to use an existing one that does not describe the object correctly. There used to be and there will be disputes on this topic

[Talk-us] Fwd: [okgis] 2013 Ortho Photos Available for Download

2013-11-07 Thread Paul Johnson
This came across from the Oklahoma Conservation Commission minutes ago. -- Forwarded message -- From: Shellie Willoughby shellie.willoug...@conservation.ok.gov Date: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:40 AM Subject: [okgis] 2013 Ortho Photos Available for Download To: ok...@gis.ou.edu

Re: [Talk-us] Battle Grid new improved

2013-11-07 Thread Paul Johnson
Would be cool to get this as a JOSM plugin so we can see what's up at a glance, particularly when we have a GPX overlaid. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: See my diary entry, http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/20338 The Battle Grid is now

Re: [OSM-talk] Admin borders/separate database

2013-11-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is, some admin borders are supposed to be glued to roads or rivers, and they change when the flow of a road or river changes. How do you deal with that? Well, historically, the border doesn't move. This has

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-23 Thread Paul Johnson
I've been using payment:pikepass=yes payment:cash=no on Pikepass lanes. Though I may be adding payment:kpass and payment:txtag if the turnpike authority starts cooperating with other states on this. Curious how you'd handle Colorado's turnpikes... payment:licenseplate=yes payment:cash=no? On

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping of multiple-lane toll areas

2013-10-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Lane assist tagging isn't relevant here as that's to indicate lanes to different destinations. Here there's only one destination for each direction. Also it would be more confusing as the lanes split join in different

Re: [Talk-us] 'Michigan' lefts in Arizona

2013-10-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Are there any other non-Michigan Michigan lefts? There's several in Oklahoma, usually on divided boulevards at intersections with apartments and minor residential roads, though there's a few in various locations on US 64

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Route mapping projects

2013-10-21 Thread Paul Johnson
I believe I recall seeing that Kansas already has erected USBR 66 signs. I'm down to map any segment west of Joplin (I'm familiar with US 66 up to that point). On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.netwrote: OSM mappers: As you may know from past discussions

Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org

2013-08-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Aug 23, 2013 5:06 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO an editor should either display these memberships and relations or not allow the modification of involved members. Doing neither is crying for trouble. I'm willing to go so far as to say any editor that doesn't is

Re: [Talk-us] OGI or Google? RE: [okgis] State Historical aerial photo inventory

2013-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
I like the OSM thought, but as far as I'm aware, we don't have a provision for hosting our own aerial photography. I could be wrong, particularly with the OSM-US chapter. I'm CC-ing in talk-us to see if anyone can provide a better answer. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David Lowther

Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org

2013-08-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Aug 17, 2013 12:33 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Given the maintenance situation on P2, promoting iD seems like the only way forward. Web launch a JOSM session? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-ca] Rendering of Canadian shields

2013-08-14 Thread Paul Johnson
Crud, guess it helps if I include the link: http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/publications/eng_publications/electrical/MoST_PM.pdf Page 115. Not 100% sure on reproducibility of Canadian shields; perhaps a Canadian could help on this part. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org

[Talk-ca] Rendering of Canadian shields

2013-08-14 Thread Paul Johnson
Incidentally came across some shield guidance for handling BC routes 1 (Trans-Canada), 3 (Crow's Nest), 5 (Yellowhead) and 16 (TC, though also Yellowhead in places). Alberta uses a similar 3 sign (albeit on an Alberta shield cutout) for the Alberta segment of the Crow's Nest.

[Talk-us] Rendering of Canadian shields

2013-08-14 Thread Paul Johnson
Incidentally came across some shield guidance for handling BC routes 1 (Trans-Canada), 3 (Crow's Nest), 5 (Yellowhead) and 16 (TC, though also Yellowhead in places). Alberta uses a similar 3 sign (albeit on an Alberta shield cutout) for the Alberta segment of the Crow's Nest.

Re: [Talk-us] Rendering of Canadian shields

2013-08-14 Thread Paul Johnson
Crud, guess it helps if I include the link: http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/publications/eng_publications/electrical/MoST_PM.pdf Page 115. Not 100% sure on reproducibility of Canadian shields; perhaps a Canadian could help on this part. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Aug 8, 2013 9:42 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: [As an aside, the 'N' and 'E' on Douglas County roads do *not* stand for 'North' or 'East,'] Well, it does, since they're defining range and plat, but you're correct that it's not expanded or assumed by anyone but surveyors.

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-08-06 Thread Paul Johnson
Strangely, the Oklahoma Turnpikes that have relations aren't showing up on the osm.us tile server. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:55 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: In a previous e-mail to the list, he said that relations for Turnpikes were based off the name tag for the relation,

Re: [OSM-talk] New tile rendering (Live Worldwide)

2013-08-05 Thread Paul Johnson
Wouldn't mind seeing this expanded to include rendering routes a la the OSM US tileserver. It's time to bury the old way of tagging a route's attributes on member ways already. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: Hi OpenStreetMappers, The default

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps importing OSM data in Osage County without attribution

2013-08-04 Thread Paul Johnson
04.08.2013 01:51, schrieb Paul Johnson: A few weeks ago, I converted County Road in (and in a few cases, immediately around) Osage County, Oklahoma, since these roads don't have a name, just a number, and as we all know, references are not names. Didn't think much of it until, lo

[OSM-talk] Google Maps importing OSM data in Osage County without attribution

2013-08-03 Thread Paul Johnson
A few weeks ago, I converted County Road in (and in a few cases, immediately around) Osage County, Oklahoma, since these roads don't have a name, just a number, and as we all know, references are not names. Didn't think much of it until, lo and behold, I look at a Google Maps mashup, and see

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps importing OSM data in Osage County without attribution

2013-08-03 Thread Paul Johnson
Followup to this, my changeset is http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16315736 based on local observation and the TIGER import. pnorman in #osm-us discovered a Google bot had made a similar change a month later on Mapmaker. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Paul Johnson ba

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate 64 and its spur interstates (I-64, I-264, I-464) changed to primary status in Virginia Beach, VA

2013-08-03 Thread Paul Johnson
Minor nitpick: 264 and 464 would be alternate routes, not spurs, as they attach to either another alternate or 64 on either end. If they were spurs, they would be numbered something like 164 and 364, and only one end would attach to an I 64 related route. On Aug 3, 2013 8:56 AM, Evan Robohm

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-07-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Would be pretty epic if that happened. I realize that shields in other regions (the UK and the EU in particular) tend to be as uninspired as Osage County roads, but still, being able to render something to keep your eyes peeled for (handy if you're not familiar with the area) instead of something

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

2013-07-28 Thread Paul Johnson
Shield rendering is dependant on valid route relations existing. On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.comwrote: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Toby Murray wrote: We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US server today! You

Re: [Talk-us] Best way to tag mile and interpretive markers?

2013-07-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Jul 23, 2013 8:16 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: They could but they are not. Another reason not to calculate these is the the freeway exit numbers are tied to mile makers in the US. They pick the closet mile maker to the exit. The exit numbers don't always match up to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Build your own osm.org (was Re: New technology ...)

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Yohan Boniface yohanbonif...@free.fr wrote: But pinch should, which is very convenient on touch based devices. Also totally unavailable due to lack of multitouch on pretty much anything running Donut or Froyo, and rare on Gingerbread, and these are,

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk vs motorway for rural Interstates with grade crossings

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Jul 22, 2013 2:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/lug/2013, at 22:26, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: If it has more than an exceptionally rare at-grade junction, it should be a trunk. If it's not divided, it should be a trunk even if it doesn't have

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk vs motorway for rural Interstates with grade crossings

2013-07-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.comwrote: I noticed that most of these were recently changed back to motorway. Is this the consensus of the community at large that these should be motorway, or should any section with grade crossings be trunk? I'm slightly in

Re: [Talk-us] Shield rendering and detours; tagging nicknames?

2013-07-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: I'll add them to the list of routes needing shields. What network are you using for those? US:OK:Tulsa:Tulsa (going with the US:ST:County:City rule for these city routes). ___

Re: [Talk-us] Shield rendering and detours; tagging nicknames?

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Johnson
It helps that these are actually signposted as black-on-orange DETOUR bannered routes. The severely multiplexed and complicated situation this creates causes passengers in my car to giggle when the Garmin announces that you should make a movement following the detour routes, since it'll say

Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

2013-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
If someone can hook me up with a logo polo and/or a car sign or two, I wouldn't mind working the shirt into my work rotation, and my car makes it all over Oklahoma. 386 miles today alone, average around 150 miles a day. Occasionally makes longer trips closer to the panhandle, Dallas metro, into

[Talk-us] Shield rendering and detours; tagging nicknames?

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, wonder if we can get orange detour banners for routes as well? Example relations can be found in the downtown Tulsa area, which has an interstate (244), two US routes (64, 75) and an Oklahoma state highway (51) detoured through the end of next year. Also, thanks to the serious overload on

[Talk-us] US Historic Route shield rendering

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm wondering if we can broaden the tagging for US Historic Route 66 and perhaps retag the existing relations for it's various routes, since the shields for this route are the same for other US Historic Routes (such as former alignments of US 30 in Oregon), save for 1 2-block segment of US 66 in

Re: [Talk-us] Shield rendering and detours; tagging nicknames?

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Johnson
I agree. I've only been handling construction I know I can keep up with myself. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: Nah, the best place to test route shield hell is in GA. :) hehe.

[OSM-talk] Latitude will be retired - Time for a mashup?

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Johnson
https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/3001634?p=maps_android_latituderd=1 Thinking it might be time for an OpenStreetMap based Latitude alternative now that Latitude ie going away next month. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: Given that previous list consensus was for tagging of the form: network=US:I:Future ref=number modifier=Future and that only one person offered a variant opinion this time around, I'd recommend tagging as

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:18 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: Also, do you guys think for the PA Turnpike XXX routes, that the network tag for them should be US:PA:Turnpike (also for the mainline PA Turnpike relation and NE Extension)? That's how I've been handling the Oklahoma

Re: [Talk-us] Update on highway shield rendering

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Johnson
No ref unless it has a ref. If a renderer wants initials in absence of a ref, it can extrapolate that from the relation's name. On Jul 10, 2013 2:50 PM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net [2013-07-10 09:58 -0400]: an NJTP shield is probably appropriate.

Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour

2013-07-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Gonna have to pass on it this week, I'm in Lake City, Colorado for Bear Day in Town Park right now. If you happen to br east if the evacuation line, come on over, Lake City is open. On Jul 1, 2013 12:23 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: It's that Monday again! Virtual Mappy Hour

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-30 Thread Paul Johnson
. -Compdude On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: That would mean most freeways including interstates in the west, with the exception of limited sections in the bay area, southwestern

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-30 Thread Paul Johnson
That sounds about right for defining a motorway. On Jun 30, 2013 8:37 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2013-06-30 03:39 -0500]: So then we come back to the question of what exactly is trunk if it isn't used for these kinds of roads? I've thought

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