RE deelgemeentes Deelgemeentes normally coincide with the old municipalities before the regorganisation of 1977 (or 1983 for special case Antwerp, or never, for even more special case Brussels). So you might base it on old data of that.
But an almost solution is using postal codes. These exit, and most of the time they coincide with deelgemeente. So you could have a kind of alias for postal codes. For example 9050 could have alias "Gentbrugge-Ledeberg". It's a bit harder when one former deelgemeente has more postal codes, like Antwerp before the fusion (2000,2020,2050,2060,2018,2030,2040). But I'd think this is quite rare. Or you could just map a "neighborhood" point feature on the former town center of deelgemeentes where you can find out. 2013/9/26, talk-be-requ...@openstreetmap.org <talk-be-requ...@openstreetmap.org>: > Send Talk-be mailing list submissions to > talk-be@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-be-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-be digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New mappers (Marc Gemis) > 2. Re: Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB (Ben Abelshausen) > 3. Re: Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB (Kurt Roeckx) > 4. Re: Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB (Marc Gemis) > 5. Re: Urbis, first feedback (Marc Gemis) > 6. Re: Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB (Wouter Hamelinck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:49:05 +0200 > From: Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] New mappers > Message-ID: > <CAJKJX-TNo4K_1=rex68ca2t3sdq9-c3a8982feorq5xf0ss...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I also got the impression that some tools might be part of a paid service. > > As for the rss feed (from http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/ ). > I don't expect that you will see a lot of changeset if you limit the > bounding box to e.g. Mol. Until recently I only got 10-20 changesets every > 2 days or so. The last few days the number is higher. Some article > somewhere ? on reddit perhaps ? > > anyhow the number is still to low for an area with big cities as Antwerp > and Mechelen. > > Is it a lot of work ? Not really, if you ignore the changeset from regular > contributors, you might end up of 1 or 2 changesets that need further > inspection. Again, this number is a bit higher the last few days. > > Opening the changeset shows the map where the change was done. If it show a > large area, it is suspicious. But in most cases it's only a few nodes or > ways. Nodes with names "highspeed camera" are obviously something you can > react upon. > > My impression is that most changes are > - adding some paths > - adding some POIs (shops, companies) > - some playgrounds, parkings > > Don't look at the mapper name, because you cannot conclude anything from > that. I recently saw a mapper name that I would never choose, but the edits > were OK and the user is even on the mailing now. > > hope this helps > > regards > > m > > > > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Gilbert Hersschens > <gherssch...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Control tool looks interesting, but they don't say anything about free or >> paid service... >> >> Gilbert >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20130925/a7009d1a/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:52:48 +0200 > From: Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB > Message-ID: > <caoisdivsd7v4bn3g28a7ql_e8wb7u68reobejgghxueeb8f...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > This info is not in de CRAB database. I have had problems with this before > but the information just isn't there. > > Met vriendelijke groeten, > Best regards, > > Ben Abelshausen > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- >> It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. >> Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. >> >> I see two solutions >> a) the administrative border is taken from some source >> b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation >> >> I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the "generieke viewer" of >> AGIV they do not care about "deelgemeentes". Is this data available in >> the >> database ? >> >> Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? >> >> regards >> >> m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20130925/d7a02396/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:23:01 +0200 > From: Kurt Roeckx <k...@roeckx.be> > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB > Message-ID: <20130925202301.ga31...@roeckx.be> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 07:01:00PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: >> This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- >> It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. >> Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. >> >> I see two solutions >> a) the administrative border is taken from some source >> b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation >> >> I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the "generieke viewer" of >> AGIV >> they do not care about "deelgemeentes". Is this data available in the >> database ? >> >> Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? > > I've used old maps to get that information. For instance the Atlas > de Buurtwegen and the Popp maps ussually have enough information > to be able to map it. > > > Kurt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 05:31:36 +0200 > From: Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB > Message-ID: > <cajkjx-s6bqyf0i_oja4kq2z9qdawlxb4153tbyhgaow7-2m...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Kurt Roeckx <k...@roeckx.be> wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 07:01:00PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: >> > This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- >> > It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. >> > Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. >> > >> > I see two solutions >> > a) the administrative border is taken from some source >> > b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation >> > >> > I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the "generieke viewer" of >> AGIV >> > they do not care about "deelgemeentes". Is this data available in the >> > database ? >> > >> > Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? >> >> I've used old maps to get that information. For instance the Atlas >> de Buurtwegen and the Popp maps ussually have enough information >> to be able to map it. >> >> >> Kurt >> >> > where can I find these ? > > m > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20130926/34f4ccbd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 05:32:56 +0200 > From: Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Urbis, first feedback > Message-ID: > <cajkjx-ty1yiw62e1ibh46zdqxsqyomsfnmbmehte9kc1taj...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Ben you've asked it .. here it is :p > >> >> http://osm.bmaron.net/urbis_img/tiles/ >> >> >> > > nice ! > > m > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20130926/926871ad/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:42:08 +0200 > From: Wouter Hamelinck <wouter.hameli...@gmail.com> > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB > Message-ID: > <CAOkJ8mr_XNt=8xuh8sa--bnJn8n_qzO4=om8o06uqoxzdyr...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The reason that they are not in crab is simple: officially they don't exist > anymore.You won't find any legal reference to them. > > Nowadays, two definitions are common: either following the boundaries of > the communities as they where before the fusion in the seventies, or > following the boundaries of the NIS/INS-codes ( > http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIS-code) as they are used by Statbel. > Difference between both definitions will be minimal. > > For our purpose, the first definition is the most practical since you can > find it on old (out of copyright) maps. And I would be impressed if someone > would get a dataset from Statbel with an open license or even without > paying. > > Marc, every Flemish province has a website where you can find the Atlas der > Buurtwegen/des Chemins Vicinaux. For East-Flanders (where I live) this is > www.gisoost.be but the other provinces have something similar. A quick > search will get you there. The reason for the organization by province is > that there exists two physical copies for every community. One at the > community and one at the province. Because after being in use for 170 > years, their condition is not exactly optimal, every province decided to > digitize the atlas to reduce the number of times that the physical copies > need to be consulted. > > wouter > > -- > > "Den som ikke tror p? seg selv kommer ingen vei." > -Thor Heyerdahl > On 25 Sep 2013 19:01, "Marc Gemis" <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- >> It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. >> Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. >> >> I see two solutions >> a) the administrative border is taken from some source >> b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation >> >> I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the "generieke viewer" of >> AGIV they do not care about "deelgemeentes". Is this data available in >> the >> database ? >> >> Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? >> >> regards >> >> m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/attachments/20130926/e48469fe/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > > End of Talk-be Digest, Vol 69, Issue 80 > *************************************** > _______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
