Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

[john whelan]

 >> In the past the local variants of the OGL Canada have varied widely
>> and have in some cases included additional terms that have made them
>> incompatible with the ODbL and in some instances non-open. For this
>> reason we are not making a blanket statement on other such localised
>> versions of the OGL at this point in time and will continue to review
>> them on a case by case base.
>
> For example, if the fictional City of Rotonto took the exact text of
> the Ottawa ODL 2.0 and merely replaced instances of “Ottawa” with
> “Rotonto”, the above minute indicates that the Rotonto ODL would
> still need LWG approval.

LWG has given an opinion that the Canadian Federal Government's 2.0 license
and the municipal variation that Ottawa are acceptable.

Logically provided only the name of the city is changed in the municipal
variation then there are no changes to the Open Data license. There is a
concern that if so much as a comma etc is changed then they would like to
review it and I totally agree with that statement.

I understand your frustration that the Toronto license has not yet been
approved but that one is not the Federal Government's Open Data license but
one it came up with by itself.

Cheerio John
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Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

[Matthew Darwin]

Rob,

One other thing to think about while others are discussing the 
licensing topic:  What is the quality of the buildings?  Has that been 
reviewed?


 * Are they in the right place?
 * Are they the right size?
 * Are they squared off (rectangles)
 * Are they aligned to each other and the road (not slightly mis-aligned)
 * Are they current (not buildings which have been torn down or
   otherwise changed)
 * If there are attributes like "height" in your dataset, is that
   accurate?
 * etc...

I've not worked much on buildings, but probably others could add 
comments about what are the criteria for "good buildings".



On 2018-03-06 11:05 AM, Rob Halko wrote:


Good morning,

The Region of Durham has recently purchased Building Footprints data 
for the entire Region, and it is available as Open Data: 
http://opendata.durham.ca/datasets/building-footprints


We would like to import these to Open Street Map to engage the 
community and help improve the overall map. We are supporters of OSM 
and wish to regularly partner in improving the data.


In particular, we are hosting a mapathon on March 29, which asks for 
student input to add attributes to the buildings based on OSM 
guidelines for the Building Canada 2020 project: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_that_could_be_mapped


We have read your Import guidelines and are here to express our 
interest in contributing our building data. The intention is not to 
overwrite those buildings that the community has built, but bridge 
the gap to include the rest of the 200,000+ buildings in Durham 
(largely residential), which are missing from OSM.


Please let us know how we can contribute this valuable data on 
behalf of the community.






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Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

[Stewart C. Russell]

On 2018-03-07 09:08 PM, Steve Singer wrote:
> 
> It is my understanding that the act of substitution is enough of a 
> change to require the LWG to need to look at it.

That's correct, Steve. I clarified the Ottawa import page a little:

> The OSMF Licensing Working Group determined in their meeting on
> 2017-03-02 that data under the Ottawa Open Data, Licence Version 2.0
> (Ottawa ODL 2.0) can be included in the OpenStreetMap dataset and
> distributed on ODbL 1.0 terms. Quoting from the draft minutes (draft
> link may not be generally readable):
> 
>> The LWG has determined [(1)] that the attribution requirements of the
>> Ottawa ODL 2.0 can be met by adding the required text to the wiki
>> contributor page and corresponding changeset source attribute values,
>> and that there is no downstream attribution requirement, [(2)] that
>> we are not using "Personal Information" as defined in the licence and
>> referenced legislation, and that so licensed material can be included
>> in the OpenStreetMap dataset and distributed on ODbL 1.0 terms. —
>> OSMF LWG draft minutes, 2017-03-02
> 
> Note: The LWG's acceptance of the Ottawa ODL 2.0 or the Canada Open
> Data Licence 2.0 does not mean that near-identical licences are also
> acceptable for OSM import. The draft minute goes on to say:
> 
>> In the past the local variants of the OGL Canada have varied widely
>> and have in some cases included additional terms that have made them
>> incompatible with the ODbL and in some instances non-open. For this
>> reason we are not making a blanket statement on other such localised
>> versions of the OGL at this point in time and will continue to review
>> them on a case by case base.
> 
> For example, if the fictional City of Rotonto took the exact text of
> the Ottawa ODL 2.0 and merely replaced instances of “Ottawa” with
> “Rotonto”, the above minute indicates that the Rotonto ODL would
> still need LWG approval.

I made a request to the LWG about this time last year about the Toronto
and Ontario licences, and they're still working on them.

There is another way around the issue: publish as CC-BY 4.0 (as some
Quebec municipalities have done) and supply OSM with one of these
waivers:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Waiver_and_Permission_Templates

cheers,
 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

[Steve Singer]

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, john whelan wrote:


That one says federal government.  Somewhere they have a kit with the municipal 
version and that's the one you
want.  Exact license is the one the City of Ottawa uses just sub "City of 
Ottawa" with your city name.

Note to Tracey and or Kent could you be very nice and point Rob to the exact 
municipal Open Data license 2.0 that
TB drew up.


I do not see either the open-government-license-canada or the TB open 
data license, or a Canadian "municipal data license 2.0" listed at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility


My understanding is that the "City of Ottawa Open Data License 2.0" received 
special approval from the LWG. 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan#Licence)


It is also my understanding that substituting "City of Ottawa" with "Region 
of Durham" would still require the LWG to approve the Durham license.


It is my understanding that the act of substitution is enough of a change to 
require the LWG to need to look at it.


I don't see open-government-licence-canada listed as a compatible 
generic license on the wiki page.


If anyone is aware of something written from the LWG that says otherwise 
please post a link.


Steve




Many Thanks John

On 7 March 2018 at 13:24, Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca> wrote:

  Thanks for your help John,

   

  Is this the license we should be looking at adopting:
  https://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada?

   

  Rob

   

  From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 9:22 PM
  To: Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca>
  Cc: impo...@openstreetmap.org; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org; Jonathan Brown 
<jonab...@gmail.com>; Alasia,
  Alessandro (STATCAN) <alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>
  Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

   

  I was involved in getting the Ottawa Open Data building outlines into OSM 
working with Stats Canada. 
  Based on that experience you need to go through some steps..


Step one concerns the license.  Regional Municipality of Durham open data 
license almost certainly has not
been approved by the LWG.  The choices are formally adopt the Treasury Board 
license for Open Data as Ottawa
has done or ask Alessandro nicely about whether Stats Can can make it available 
through the TB open data
portal.  The third choice would be submit it to the LWG.  The backlog is 
substantial and I'd expect at least
at year, possibly two before gaining approval if they thought it was perfect.

The data can also be formally given to OpenStreetMap, ie supplied but not under 
your Open data license.  I
understand Vancouver followed this route.

 

One the license is sorted out then there is a further process to follow and 
that would be tight for March
29th.

I suggest sorting out the license first.

Cheerio John

 

On 6 March 2018 at 11:05, Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca> wrote:

  Good morning,

   

  The Region of Durham has recently purchased Building Footprints data for 
the entire Region, and
  it is available as Open Data: 
http://opendata.durham.ca/datasets/building-footprints

   

  We would like to import these to Open Street Map to engage the community 
and help improve the
  overall map. We are supporters of OSM and wish to regularly partner in 
improving the data.

   

  In particular, we are hosting a mapathon on March 29, which asks for 
student input to add
  attributes to the buildings based on OSM guidelines for the Building 
Canada 2020 project:
  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_that_could_be_mapped

   

  We have read your Import guidelines and are here to express our interest 
in contributing our
  building data. The intention is not to overwrite those buildings that the 
community has built,
  but bridge the gap to include the rest of the 200,000+ buildings in 
Durham (largely
  residential), which are missing from OSM.

   

  Please let us know how we can contribute this valuable data on behalf of 
the community.

   

  [IMAGE]

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  Regional Municipality of Durham | Corporate Services - Information 
Technology
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Excellence • Continuous
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Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

[john whelan]

That one says federal government.  Somewhere they have a kit with the
municipal version and that's the one you want.  Exact license is the one
the City of Ottawa uses just sub "City of Ottawa" with your city name.

Note to Tracey and or Kent could you be very nice and point Rob to the
exact municipal Open Data license 2.0 that TB drew up.

Many Thanks John

On 7 March 2018 at 13:24, Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca> wrote:

> Thanks for your help John,
>
>
>
> Is this the license we should be looking at adopting:
> https://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada?
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2018 9:22 PM
> *To:* Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca>
> *Cc:* impo...@openstreetmap.org; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org; Jonathan
> Brown <jonab...@gmail.com>; Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) <
> alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM
>
>
>
> I was involved in getting the Ottawa Open Data building outlines into OSM
> working with Stats Canada.  Based on that experience you need to go through
> some steps..
>
>
> Step one concerns the license.  Regional Municipality of Durham open data
> license almost certainly has not been approved by the LWG.  The choices are
> formally adopt the Treasury Board license for Open Data as Ottawa has done
> or ask Alessandro nicely about whether Stats Can can make it available
> through the TB open data portal.  The third choice would be submit it to
> the LWG.  The backlog is substantial and I'd expect at least at year,
> possibly two before gaining approval if they thought it was perfect.
>
> The data can also be formally given to OpenStreetMap, ie supplied but not
> under your Open data license.  I understand Vancouver followed this route.
>
>
>
> One the license is sorted out then there is a further process to follow
> and that would be tight for March 29th.
>
> I suggest sorting out the license first.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
> On 6 March 2018 at 11:05, Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca> wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
>
>
> The Region of Durham has recently purchased Building Footprints data for
> the entire Region, and it is available as Open Data:
> http://opendata.durham.ca/datasets/building-footprints
>
>
>
> We would like to import these to Open Street Map to engage the community
> and help improve the overall map. We are supporters of OSM and wish to
> regularly partner in improving the data.
>
>
>
> In particular, we are hosting a mapathon on March 29, which asks for
> student input to add attributes to the buildings based on OSM guidelines
> for the Building Canada 2020 project: https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_
> that_could_be_mapped
>
>
>
> We have read your Import guidelines and are here to express our interest
> in contributing our building data. The intention is not to overwrite those
> buildings that the community has built, but bridge the gap to include the
> rest of the 200,000+ buildings in Durham (largely residential), which are
> missing from OSM.
>
>
>
> Please let us know how we can contribute this valuable data on behalf of
> the community.
>
>
>
> <http://www.durham.ca/>
>
> *Rob Halko | Supervisor, GIS*
> Regional Municipality of Durham | Corporate Services - Information
> Technology
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Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

[Rob Halko]

Thanks for your help John,

Is this the license we should be looking at adopting: 
https://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada?

Rob

From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 9:22 PM
To: Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca>
Cc: impo...@openstreetmap.org; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org; Jonathan Brown 
<jonab...@gmail.com>; Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) <alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

I was involved in getting the Ottawa Open Data building outlines into OSM 
working with Stats Canada.  Based on that experience you need to go through 
some steps..

Step one concerns the license.  Regional Municipality of Durham open data 
license almost certainly has not been approved by the LWG.  The choices are 
formally adopt the Treasury Board license for Open Data as Ottawa has done or 
ask Alessandro nicely about whether Stats Can can make it available through the 
TB open data portal.  The third choice would be submit it to the LWG.  The 
backlog is substantial and I'd expect at least at year, possibly two before 
gaining approval if they thought it was perfect.
The data can also be formally given to OpenStreetMap, ie supplied but not under 
your Open data license.  I understand Vancouver followed this route.

One the license is sorted out then there is a further process to follow and 
that would be tight for March 29th.
I suggest sorting out the license first.
Cheerio John

On 6 March 2018 at 11:05, Rob Halko 
<rob.ha...@durham.ca<mailto:rob.ha...@durham.ca>> wrote:
Good morning,

The Region of Durham has recently purchased Building Footprints data for the 
entire Region, and it is available as Open Data: 
http://opendata.durham.ca/datasets/building-footprints

We would like to import these to Open Street Map to engage the community and 
help improve the overall map. We are supporters of OSM and wish to regularly 
partner in improving the data.

In particular, we are hosting a mapathon on March 29, which asks for student 
input to add attributes to the buildings based on OSM guidelines for the 
Building Canada 2020 project: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_that_could_be_mapped

We have read your Import guidelines and are here to express our interest in 
contributing our building data. The intention is not to overwrite those 
buildings that the community has built, but bridge the gap to include the rest 
of the 200,000+ buildings in Durham (largely residential), which are missing 
from OSM.

Please let us know how we can contribute this valuable data on behalf of the 
community.

[cid:image001.png@01D3B617.95A5CB10]<http://www.durham.ca/>

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Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

[john whelan]

I was involved in getting the Ottawa Open Data building outlines into OSM
working with Stats Canada.  Based on that experience you need to go through
some steps..

Step one concerns the license.  Regional Municipality of Durham open data
license almost certainly has not been approved by the LWG.  The choices are
formally adopt the Treasury Board license for Open Data as Ottawa has done
or ask Alessandro nicely about whether Stats Can can make it available
through the TB open data portal.  The third choice would be submit it to
the LWG.  The backlog is substantial and I'd expect at least at year,
possibly two before gaining approval if they thought it was perfect.

The data can also be formally given to OpenStreetMap, ie supplied but not
under your Open data license.  I understand Vancouver followed this route.

One the license is sorted out then there is a further process to follow and
that would be tight for March 29th.

I suggest sorting out the license first.

Cheerio John

On 6 March 2018 at 11:05, Rob Halko  wrote:

> Good morning,
>
>
>
> The Region of Durham has recently purchased Building Footprints data for
> the entire Region, and it is available as Open Data:
> http://opendata.durham.ca/datasets/building-footprints
>
>
>
> We would like to import these to Open Street Map to engage the community
> and help improve the overall map. We are supporters of OSM and wish to
> regularly partner in improving the data.
>
>
>
> In particular, we are hosting a mapathon on March 29, which asks for
> student input to add attributes to the buildings based on OSM guidelines
> for the Building Canada 2020 project: https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_
> that_could_be_mapped
>
>
>
> We have read your Import guidelines and are here to express our interest
> in contributing our building data. The intention is not to overwrite those
> buildings that the community has built, but bridge the gap to include the
> rest of the 200,000+ buildings in Durham (largely residential), which are
> missing from OSM.
>
>
>
> Please let us know how we can contribute this valuable data on behalf of
> the community.
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Rob Halko | Supervisor, GIS*
> Regional Municipality of Durham | Corporate Services - Information
> Technology
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> <(289)%20927-7168>
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[Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

[Rob Halko]

Good morning,

The Region of Durham has recently purchased Building Footprints data for the 
entire Region, and it is available as Open Data: 
http://opendata.durham.ca/datasets/building-footprints

We would like to import these to Open Street Map to engage the community and 
help improve the overall map. We are supporters of OSM and wish to regularly 
partner in improving the data.

In particular, we are hosting a mapathon on March 29, which asks for student 
input to add attributes to the buildings based on OSM guidelines for the 
Building Canada 2020 project: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_that_could_be_mapped

We have read your Import guidelines and are here to express our interest in 
contributing our building data. The intention is not to overwrite those 
buildings that the community has built, but bridge the gap to include the rest 
of the 200,000+ buildings in Durham (largely residential), which are missing 
from OSM.

Please let us know how we can contribute this valuable data on behalf of the 
community.

[cid:image001.png@01D3B53B.0A2681B0]

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