Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-29 Thread Adam Hoyle
it's got > to generate the geojson from the database... but the geojson is now cached > making it much faster on subsequent requests. > > Nick > > -Adam Hoyle wrote: - > To: talk-gb Talk-GB > From: Adam Hoyle > Date: 25/01/2013 10:18AM > Subject: Re: [

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-26 Thread Nick Whitelegg
2PM Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=) OK should have both Oxfordshire and Bucks now. (discovered the latter was also on geofabrik) It may take some time to render first time you try somewhere out, as it's

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-26 Thread Nick Whitelegg
uests. Nick -Adam Hoyle wrote: - To: talk-gb Talk-GB From: Adam Hoyle Date: 25/01/2013 10:18AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance foradding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=) On 24 Jan 2013, at 14:34, Nick Whitelegg wrote: >Not entirely tangential question -

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-25 Thread Adam Hoyle
On 25 Jan 2013, at 10:42, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? >>Or is there somewhere that already exists that >renders designations? > >>> Yes -

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-25 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>>>Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation >>>tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? >>Or is >>>there somewhere that already exists that >renders designations?  >>Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England a

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-25 Thread Adam Hoyle
On 24 Jan 2013, at 14:34, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > >Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation > >tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there > >somewhere that already exists that >renders designations? > > Yes - www.free-map.org

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-25 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Barry, > On 24 Jan 2013 11:38, "Barry Cornelius" wrote: >> >> Please can you confirm that the routes are now better... > The Devon kml data looks spot on now. thanks, Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreet

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Peat
On 24 Jan 2013 15:02, "Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)" < robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very > British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be > rendered on the main OSM map. :-( I don't really see why th

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Peat
On 24 Jan 2013 11:38, "Barry Cornelius" wrote: > > Please can you confirm that the routes are now better... Thanks for that. I'll check it out and let you know (will probably be tomorrow now). Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org ht

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-24 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 24 January 2013 14:28, Adam Hoyle wrote: > Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation > tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there > somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Since the public rights of way tagging

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-24 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation >tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there >somewhere that already exists that >renders designations?  Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and Wales)

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Hoyle
On 24 Jan 2013, at 09:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > This way of doing the tagging is consistent with what is commonly > already done with Public Rights of Way. The highway=* tag records the > physical appearance of the way (footway, track, road, etc.), the > designation=* tag gives th

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-24 Thread Barry Cornelius
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: If you look at DN Dartmouth Bridleway 1 with the OS map background you can see it is offset a little to the south. Following some e-mail exchanges with Devon County Council, on 23rd December I corrected a few errors in the metadata of a few routes. Unfor

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Peat
On 24 January 2013 09:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > highway=track, access=yes, designation=unclassified_highway ...makes sense to me for those I have seen. These tracks have no signage at all but clearly there are public access rights which would be nice to reflect in osm. Kevin ___

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-24 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 23 January 2013 19:38, Rob Nickerson wrote: > No extra "designation" tag is needed in my opinion. If they are on the > authorities list of streets, then they are legally exactly the same as any > other road. Therefore highway=unclassified would be fine. The issue arises > when they are not well

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Peat
On 23 Jan 2013 23:22, "Barry Cornelius" wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: >> >> The "Converted kml file for Devon" on this page: >> http://www.rowmaps.com/kmls/DN/ > > > Great, thanks. Each path has a name, e.g.: >DN Seaton Footpath 2 > It would help if you gave the names of s

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Barry Cornelius
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: The "Converted kml file for Devon" on this page: http://www.rowmaps.com/kmls/DN/ Great, thanks. Each path has a name, e.g.: DN Seaton Footpath 2 It would help if you gave the names of some of the paths you have problems with. Sorry, I should have ask

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Peat
On 23 Jan 2013 21:42, "Barry Cornelius" wrote: > > Which kml file are you referring to? > > Please give me a URL so that I can download the kml and check... The "Converted kml file for Devon" on this page: http://www.rowmaps.com/kmls/DN/ Kevin ___ Tal

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Barry Cornelius
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: I also noticed that the Devon data (using the kml from your site in josm) appears to be consistently offset a few metres south of where it should be. Not a big deal just FYI really. Which kml file are you referring to? Please give me a URL so that I can d

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Rob Nickerson
I'm not sure if anyone will be able to help bring some degree of firmness to this, but it is my belief that roads that are on the Local Authority list of streets appear with a solid border in OS StreetView map. So for your example: http://os.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=15&lat=50.43928&lon=-3.67146&lay

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Peat
On 23 Jan 2013 19:38, "Rob Nickerson" wrote > > Ideas welcome (I've not seen enough examples to get an understanding of what these roads are actually like on the ground - photos ... This is one: http://m.google.co.uk/u/m/R9HAqI The ones I have surveyed are glorified farm tracks with mostly grav

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Rob Nickerson
No extra "designation" tag is needed in my opinion. If they are on the authorities list of streets, then they are legally exactly the same as any other road. Therefore highway=unclassified would be fine. The issue arises when they are not well maintained, narrow, or not suitable for some larger veh

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Peat
On 23 Jan 2013 18:58, "Rob Nickerson" wrote: > > ... Thanks for that. Any thoughts on whether they should be specifically tagged in OSM? Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Rob Nickerson
In regards to "Other roads with public access" (ORPA) - this is a term that the Ordnance Survey have used, in other places they are called "Unclassified County Road". Most often they are legally the same as a normal road (and should therefore appear in the Local Authorities list if streets, in whic

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Barry, On 23 Jan 2013 16:07, "Barry Cornelius" wrote: > > ... Thanks for your work on this. I've been looking at the Devon data and have integrated a small amount of it local to me. There are a whole bunch of unsurfaced green lanes around here with public access that are not in the dataset.

Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-23 Thread Barry Cornelius
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Rob Nickerson wrote: Barry, Local government regions in England can be very confusing. For public rights of way the responsibility of legally collating these on the Definitive Map and Statement lies with those regions that are “surveying authorities”. This is the same as the 1

[Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-04 Thread Rob Nickerson
Barry, Local government regions in England can be very confusing. For public rights of way the responsibility of legally collating these on the Definitive Map and Statement lies with those regions that are “surveying authorities”. This is the same as the 152 (151 if you exclude the “City of London