Re: [Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Chris Hill
So you decided that the Imports mailing list isn't useful and is too 20th Century for you. Don't you see how arrogant and disconnected you sound? An hour a week was spent in the provider's office, but not once was the process required by OSM to do imports mentioned? It may have been done by

Re: [Talk-GB] Import process

2017-03-19 Thread Will Phillips
Looking at the data that has been imported, my first reaction is that some of the keys/values do look rather non-standard. This suggests to me that the process might have benefited from wider discussion. With the tree data, what jumps out is that every single tree has 'constituency' and

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
"On 19 March 2017 at 13:13, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: > On 19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> I'm told that Brian has been blocked for these edits This is >> outrageous. > No, he was sent this message: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1271 Which opens with

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
"On 19 March 2017 at 13:13, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: > On 19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> I'm told that Brian has been blocked for these edits This is >> outrageous. > No, he was sent this message: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1271 Which opens with

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi, This was discussed at our monthly meeting, it was then shared to the appropriate local list [1] and a post about quality to Mappa Mercia blog [2]. Brian has also been meeting with the data suppliers on a regular basis (at times spending an hour a week with them) helping to develop a

[Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Chris, I don't think any of us are members of the import mailing list and I don't see the point of joining any more mailing lists. They represent an arcane 20th century solution that allows a few negative comments to derail a locally supported project. Mailing list posts drift off topic way

[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Chris, I don't think any of us are members of the import mailing list and I don't see the point of joining any more mailing lists. They represent an arcane 20th century solution that allows a few negative comments to derail a locally supported project. Mailing list posts drift off topic way

[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import process

2017-03-19 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Chris, To me the mess is with our wiki and mailing lists. Over the years I've spent considerable time in both and i find them to be death eaters that drain the energy from all ideas. I have a more positive vision of local empowerment with a place for local communities to share ideas with

[Talk-GB] Import process

2017-03-19 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Chris, To me the mess is with our wiki and mailing lists. Over the years I've spent considerable time in both and i find them to be death eaters that drain the energy from all ideas. I have a more positive vision of local empowerment with a place for local communities to share ideas with

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Chris Hill
The problem with this is there are import guidelines which have been completely ignored. Was there an email and discussion in the Imports mailing list? Was there a wiki page to record and share the process? How were the tags chosen? What steps were taken to check the accuracy of the data

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 March 2017 at 18:52, Brian Prangle wrote: > I'm off for a break and I'm leaving a couple of key imports partially > complete so I thought it best to give you an update of where I'm at: I'm told that Brian has been blocked for these edits This is outrageous. There is

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 18 March 2017 at 18:52, Brian Prangle wrote: I'm off for a break and I'm leaving a couple of key imports partially complete so I thought it best to give you an update of where I'm at: I'm told that Brian has been blocked for

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 18 March 2017 at 18:52, Brian Prangle wrote: I'm off for a break and I'm leaving a couple of key imports partially complete so I thought it best to give you an update of where I'm at: I'm told that Brian has been blocked for

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Andy Robinson
Like all good OSM activity, discussion occurred in the pub. We may or may not have got our knickers in a twist when we did but usually we get the things sorted out. The Naptan and tree updates were discussed at length within our small west mids group and I was (and am) happy to support. Brian

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Andy Robinson
Like all good OSM activity, discussion occurred in the pub. We may or may not have got our knickers in a twist when we did but usually we get the things sorted out. The Naptan and tree updates were discussed at length within our small west mids group and I was (and am) happy to support. Brian

[Talk-GB] StyleSheet for Outdoors Rendering

2017-03-19 Thread Graham Jones
Hi, I haven't done much with OSM for a few years, so I think I will be behind the times, so wondered if someone could point me in the right direction please? I want to produce some large (A3 sized at least) printable maps for outdoors use. It is actually to show the route of a cross country

Re: [Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
On 19/03/2017 21:29, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Or is your post simply a request for all people to follow *your* rules? Wow. Stay classy. I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to reply to that, but there's an extensive debate about that sentence in the mailing list archives a propos of the

Re: [Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Dave F
On 19/03/2017 19:36, Frederik Ramm wrote: It would be great if that exposed situation would make them lead by example, rather than assume that everyone else's rules don't apply to them. Yes. I've noticed a couple of 'we know best' & 'this is a local community for local people' style comments.

Re: [Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 19 March 2017 at 20:55, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > However, just because I no longer spend my time batting back and forth to > every post on the lists, that does not mean I have the right to ignore the > same community guidelines which everyone else follows. Can you show

Re: [Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Rob Nickerson wrote: > Mailing list posts drift off topic way too easily any it's never clear > when "consensus" is found. Richard F did the right thing in 2013 > when he quit them and I encourage others to do the same However, just because I no longer spend my time batting back and forth to

Re: [Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 19 March 2017 at 19:36, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Please consider whether your words might offend ...and the goes on to equate a disagreement over import procedures to racist ethnic cleansing. That's *really* unacceptable. Who moderates this mailing list? -- Andy

Re: [Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Rob, On 03/19/2017 04:04 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote: > I don't think any of us are members of the import mailing list and I > don't see the point of joining any more mailing lists. They represent an > arcane 20th century solution that allows a few negative comments to > derail a locally supported