Re: [Talk-GB] Toys R Us

[Borbus]

On 04/05/18 20:10, Brian Prangle wrote:
When will it be  appropriate to do a mechanical edit and remove the 47 
instances of this store that can be seen in Overpass? Have they all 
closed now?  My local one is now closed and leaving a large gap on its 
retail  park


Just a note for if you do do this: the shop in my town was named 'Toys Я 
Us' with alt_name set to 'Toys "R" Us'. Worth adding those alternatives 
to your search as the second one at least is probably used a lot.


Happy mapping,

Borbus.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Toys R Us

[Paul Berry]

Perhaps appropriate when the signage is taken down from any of their former
stores en masse. In the meantime nothing stopping you mechanically adding
disused :shop
=yes
 to all instances now,
I would think.

Is there precedent on OSM for this? What are the plans for the 200 or so
Maplin stores?

Regards,
*Paul*

On 4 May 2018 at 20:10, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> When will it be  appropriate to do a mechanical edit and remove the 47
> instances of this store that can be seen in Overpass? Have they all closed
> now?  My local one is now closed and leaving a large gap on its retail  park
>
> Ditto Maplins
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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[Talk-GB] Toys R Us

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

When will it be  appropriate to do a mechanical edit and remove the 47
instances of this store that can be seen in Overpass? Have they all closed
now?  My local one is now closed and leaving a large gap on its retail  park

Ditto Maplins

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

[Lester Caine]

On 04/05/18 14:41, Steve Doerr wrote:

On 04/05/2018 12:52, Lester Caine wrote:

it's not helped when postoffice.co.uk don't list the independent post 
offices in there search results! According to them Broadway does not 
have a post office ;)


It comes up for me at Russell Square, Back Lane, Broadway, 
Worcestershire, WR12 7AP. I searched on that postcode. Or is there 
another Broadway?


OK is google that gets it wrong ;) 
https://www.google.com/search?q=post+office+near+me only shows the post 
office owned ones. But the information on the branch search - when you 
find it (needs the worcs) - is at odds with the times on the Budgen's 
website which I know are correct but the magic time one needs to know is 
5:15 as the latest time for collection today is not shown anywhere :) 
Only https://www.warnersbudgens.co.uk/post-offices/broadway.php shows 
the out of hours services ...


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

[Steve Doerr]

On 04/05/2018 12:52, Lester Caine wrote:

it's not helped when postoffice.co.uk don't list the independent post 
offices in there search results! According to them Broadway does not 
have a post office ;)


It comes up for me at Russell Square, Back Lane, Broadway, 
Worcestershire, WR12 7AP. I searched on that postcode. Or is there 
another Broadway?


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

[Philip Withnall]

On Fri, 2018-05-04 at 12:52 +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 04/05/18 12:28, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:
> > Or do people think we should use amenity=post_office for them with
> > some other tagging used to differentiate things? If we did want to
> > use
> > other tagging to differentiate, then operator=* wouldn't work, as
> > most
> > Post Office branches are run by third parties. network=* or brand=*
> > could do, but it would be complicated to use either on objects
> > which
> > are tagged with both amenity=post_office and e.g. shop=convenience,
> > since we wouldn't know which part the tags were referring to.
> 
> Our local post office is now situated in a local supermarket while
> the 
> main postbox is still located outside it's previous home. Post
> Office 
> hours are shorter than the opening for the shop although some
> services 
> are available full time which adds to the fun tagging it. In
> addition 
> two other local shops are drop-off points for other other carriers
> with 
> one also a collection point for held deliveries. The published
> details 
> for some of these service points is already wrong but trying to add
> a 
> comprehensive set of tags covering everything is I think wishfull 
> thinking? Especially when the shop handles several courier services? 
> This is an area where secondary databases should be linked to
> provide 
> the fine detail and just a generic tag with an ID to access that
> data. 
> Trying to map all the secondary data is silly, but it's not helped
> when 
> postoffice.co.uk don't list the independent post offices in there
> search 
> results! According to them Broadway does not have a post office ;)

In these situations I’d probably add a separate amenity=post_office
node *inside* the shop area. Then both the shop and the post office can
have separate tagging for their opening hours, operator, network, etc.

Philip

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

[Lester Caine]

On 04/05/18 12:28, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

Or do people think we should use amenity=post_office for them with
some other tagging used to differentiate things? If we did want to use
other tagging to differentiate, then operator=* wouldn't work, as most
Post Office branches are run by third parties. network=* or brand=*
could do, but it would be complicated to use either on objects which
are tagged with both amenity=post_office and e.g. shop=convenience,
since we wouldn't know which part the tags were referring to.


Our local post office is now situated in a local supermarket while the 
main postbox is still located outside it's previous home. Post Office 
hours are shorter than the opening for the shop although some services 
are available full time which adds to the fun tagging it. In addition 
two other local shops are drop-off points for other other carriers with 
one also a collection point for held deliveries. The published details 
for some of these service points is already wrong but trying to add a 
comprehensive set of tags covering everything is I think wishfull 
thinking? Especially when the shop handles several courier services? 
This is an area where secondary databases should be linked to provide 
the fine detail and just a generic tag with an ID to access that data. 
Trying to map all the secondary data is silly, but it's not helped when 
postoffice.co.uk don't list the independent post offices in there search 
results! According to them Broadway does not have a post office ;)


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 3 May 2018 at 11:25, SK53  wrote:
> Can we please avoid changing the meaning of post office by extending it to
> courier offices, and restrict it to those places which offer not only a full
> service mail offering (aka Universal Postal Service), but the traditional
> other services available at post offices (some banking, government forms,
> etc). Extending the meaning of the tag would make OSM data immediately
> intrinsically less useful in cities where courier offices exist. Such a
> change would a) require every post office to be suitably tagged with an
> indication of which service it belongs to; and b) require every data
> consumer to change.

I agree that this would make sense for the UK, but I'm worried it
might be seen as re-defining the amenity=post_office tag as it's used
internationally. The wiki page at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpost_office
currently defines it as "A post office. A place where letters and
parcels may be sent or collected." Arguably public offices of courier
companies fit this definition. In the UK though "Post Office" has a
specific meaning, and it would certainly make life easier for the UK
to tag these courier firms differently.

There are a handful of instances of each of amenity=courier,
shop=courier and office=courier, without any one having a significant
majority: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=courier#values .
Does anyone else have any ideas or preferences for possible taggings
for non-Post-Office-Ltd courier firms, if we were to go down that
route?

Or do people think we should use amenity=post_office for them with
some other tagging used to differentiate things? If we did want to use
other tagging to differentiate, then operator=* wouldn't work, as most
Post Office branches are run by third parties. network=* or brand=*
could do, but it would be complicated to use either on objects which
are tagged with both amenity=post_office and e.g. shop=convenience,
since we wouldn't know which part the tags were referring to.

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 3 May 2018 at 18:57, David Woolley  wrote:
> On 03/05/18 17:53, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:
>>
>> I would use a node where the van stops, tagged with
> amenity="post_office", name="Over Mobile Post Office Service",
>
> That seems to break the name is only the name rule.

The official name of the branch according to Post Office Ltd. is "Over
Mobile Service". But none of their branch names include the text "Post
Office"; most are just the place or street name, so it seems
reasonable to me to add "Post Office" to form the full name.

Robert.

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