[Talk-GB] Ramblers Scotland - Mapping Scotland's "lost" paths
I've just recently become aware of this project where they're finding "lost" paths, although all the examples they've given so far have been mapped on OSM for ages, there is also a great quote from there head: "OSM has been a vital resource for this project & there is no doubt it has the most complete public map of Scotland's paths that is currently available" So we know that they are using OSM. Michael Booth got in touch with them, and apparently: "We have been using OSM in our pilot areas and we’ve also made contact with OSM to discuss the project further." and "The final goal for the project is to release the dataset we create as open data, I expect that there will be an interactive map on our website but the intention is for the raw data itself to be downloadable so it could be added to things like OSM." Which is all great. Just wondering if anyone has had contact with them? https://www.ramblers.org.uk/get-involved/out-there/out-there-getting-paths-on-maps/mapping-scotland-paths.aspx Cheers Chris ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brexit and OpenStreetMap
On 14/09/2020 14:41, Andy Mabbett wrote: Change sets and item histories contain user names, for example. If those don't fall under some sort of exemption, you have rather more fundamental problems than Brexit; you probably can't make the map available outside the EU without some sort of NDA. An analogy would seem to be film credits. Google didn't provide anything helpful on that. Most hits were about tax credits! ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brexit and OpenStreetMap
Tony, Please read the original thread! The one that weeklyOSM is referring to! https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-August/thread.html#7191 That email thread includes a very specific reply from Grant Slater (about databases and countries), and also a reply from OSMF board members. Best Dan Op ma 14 sep. 2020 om 13:51 schreef Tony Shield : > > Saw this subject in WeeklyOSM 529 > > https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13734/ > Has someone analyzed the effects of Brexit on OpenStreetMap and which > responses could be undertaken to fix potential problems? > > For example have you looked at the consequences, cost and effort of moving > the OpenStreetMap-Foundation to a EU-country and on the problems of staying > in the UK (e.g. database protection for new databases by UK citizens will not > be given in the EU). > > Could we keep the servers in the UK but provide services under a different > jurisdiction (because the foundation seat is moved)? > > Is it possible to move the foundation, and what are the requirements? Maybe > we should ask the membership what they would think about such a move? Has the > board voiced its standpoint? > > > If something has been written about the specific situation of OpenStreetMap I > would be interested in a link. I would also be interested in learning about > your thoughts wrt brexit and OpenStreetMap. Publicly it seems we have mostly > avoided any related considerations, until last year many had been hoping that > someone would still stop it, but now it will become effective in only 4 > months. > > Cheers Martin > > I'm a OSM GB member not fully understanding the structure of OSM but > here goes - > > GB is soon to be like any non-EU country. Brexit occurred 31 January > last and Withdrawal Agreement ends 31 December 2020. > > The question becomes is the OSMF so dependent on EU laws that it cannot > operate outside the EU. OSM is a global effort and operates in many > places where laws are substantially different to those of GB and EU. > Laws are also different within the EU. > > By thinking of moving OSMF from UK to EU because of Brexit are you > saying that OSMF may never be able to function outside the EU - what > about Switzerland where many international organisations are based, or > United States. These are respected countries which should be considered > if relocation is deemed necessary. > > With respect to data privacy what is to stop OSMF mandating in its > contracts and operation that the relevant EU data laws are adhered to. > Maintaining data integrity and security is a function of OSMF, these > functions are mandated by EU law, OSMF wherever it is domiciled can base > its operations on the implementation of EU law. > > With respect to current operations where OSM/OSMF operate or communicate > outside the EU what protections are necessary? > > Regards > > Tony Shield > > aka TonyS999 > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brexit and OpenStreetMap
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 at 14:30, David Woolley wrote: > Of course, the map itself should not contain any personal data What do you mean by "the map itself"? Change sets and item histories contain user names, for example. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brexit and OpenStreetMap
There are at least three areas which need looking at when considering moving the OSMF, only two of them are strictly BREXIT related: - Sui generis database protection (this is one of the underlying principles our licence relies on). - Data protection compliance (this is currently not an issue, but could become one). - Corporate structure and the ease of enabling tax deductible donations to the OSMF (while there is a bit of an BREXIT angle to this, it is mainly a question of the lack of options for this in the UK that is an issue). As already pointed out to Martin you can find numerous discussions and material on the subject here https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/index.php?search=brexit=Special%3ASearch=default=1 Simon Am 14.09.2020 um 14:51 schrieb Tony Shield: Saw this subject in WeeklyOSM 529 https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13734/ Has someone analyzed the effects of Brexit on OpenStreetMap and which responses could be undertaken to fix potential problems? For example have you looked at the consequences, cost and effort of moving the OpenStreetMap-Foundation to a EU-country and on the problems of staying in the UK (e.g. database protection for new databases by UK citizens will not be given in the EU). Could we keep the servers in the UK but provide services under a different jurisdiction (because the foundation seat is moved)? Is it possible to move the foundation, and what are the requirements? Maybe we should ask the membership what they would think about such a move? Has the board voiced its standpoint? If something has been written about the specific situation of OpenStreetMap I would be interested in a link. I would also be interested in learning about your thoughts wrt brexit and OpenStreetMap. Publicly it seems we have mostly avoided any related considerations, until last year many had been hoping that someone would still stop it, but now it will become effective in only 4 months. Cheers Martin I'm a OSM GB member not fully understanding the structure of OSM but here goes - GB is soon to be like any non-EU country. Brexit occurred 31 January last and Withdrawal Agreement ends 31 December 2020. The question becomes is the OSMF so dependent on EU laws that it cannot operate outside the EU. OSM is a global effort and operates in many places where laws are substantially different to those of GB and EU. Laws are also different within the EU. By thinking of moving OSMF from UK to EU because of Brexit are you saying that OSMF may never be able to function outside the EU - what about Switzerland where many international organisations are based, or United States. These are respected countries which should be considered if relocation is deemed necessary. With respect to data privacy what is to stop OSMF mandating in its contracts and operation that the relevant EU data laws are adhered to. Maintaining data integrity and security is a function of OSMF, these functions are mandated by EU law, OSMF wherever it is domiciled can base its operations on the implementation of EU law. With respect to current operations where OSM/OSMF operate or communicate outside the EU what protections are necessary? Regards Tony Shield aka TonyS999 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb OpenPGP_0x4721711092E282EA.asc Description: application/pgp-keys OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brexit and OpenStreetMap
On 14/09/2020 13:51, Tony Shield wrote: By thinking of moving OSMF from UK to EU because of Brexit are you saying that OSMF may never be able to function outside the EU - what about Switzerland where many international organisations are based, or United States. These are respected countries which should be considered if relocation is deemed necessary. The United States is generally understood to have very weak data protection laws, but still manages to operate within Europe, although sometimes using Irish or Luxembourg proxies. With respect to data privacy what is to stop OSMF mandating in its contracts and operation that the relevant EU data laws are adhered to. Maintaining data integrity and security is a function of OSMF, these functions are mandated by EU law, OSMF wherever it is domiciled can base its operations on the implementation of EU law. I imagine that is the way that most big organisations will go, not just on privacy. Having said that, is it actually the case that data protection law is being revoked at the end of the year. I doubt it. Of course, the map itself should not contain any personal data, as, even when based in the UK, I don't see how adequate controls could be applied to unpaid volunteers. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Brexit and OpenStreetMap
Saw this subject in WeeklyOSM 529 https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13734/ Has someone analyzed the effects of Brexit on OpenStreetMap and which responses could be undertaken to fix potential problems? For example have you looked at the consequences, cost and effort of moving the OpenStreetMap-Foundation to a EU-country and on the problems of staying in the UK (e.g. database protection for new databases by UK citizens will not be given in the EU). Could we keep the servers in the UK but provide services under a different jurisdiction (because the foundation seat is moved)? Is it possible to move the foundation, and what are the requirements? Maybe we should ask the membership what they would think about such a move? Has the board voiced its standpoint? If something has been written about the specific situation of OpenStreetMap I would be interested in a link. I would also be interested in learning about your thoughts wrt brexit and OpenStreetMap. Publicly it seems we have mostly avoided any related considerations, until last year many had been hoping that someone would still stop it, but now it will become effective in only 4 months. Cheers Martin I'm a OSM GB member not fully understanding the structure of OSM but here goes - GB is soon to be like any non-EU country. Brexit occurred 31 January last and Withdrawal Agreement ends 31 December 2020. The question becomes is the OSMF so dependent on EU laws that it cannot operate outside the EU. OSM is a global effort and operates in many places where laws are substantially different to those of GB and EU. Laws are also different within the EU. By thinking of moving OSMF from UK to EU because of Brexit are you saying that OSMF may never be able to function outside the EU - what about Switzerland where many international organisations are based, or United States. These are respected countries which should be considered if relocation is deemed necessary. With respect to data privacy what is to stop OSMF mandating in its contracts and operation that the relevant EU data laws are adhered to. Maintaining data integrity and security is a function of OSMF, these functions are mandated by EU law, OSMF wherever it is domiciled can base its operations on the implementation of EU law. With respect to current operations where OSM/OSMF operate or communicate outside the EU what protections are necessary? Regards Tony Shield aka TonyS999 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
