Re: [Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and bridleways

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

All
The most important thing to do in situations like this is to contact the 
LA responsible & ask them to clear it.


As I said on the preceding discussion of this topic in Talk, many of 
these descriptions are subjective. What you or I may consider completely 
impassible, others could be willing to hack/wade their way through.


Adding tags to inhibit routing/rendering is not the accurate way to 
proceed,


Use tags which accurately detail the physical conditions & leave it up 
to the user to decide if they wish to traverse  the path.


Even though i suggested Overgrown=yes as an example, it is subjective - 
Is it that the grass hasn't been mown for a few weeks or is it a Bornean 
rainforest?


DaveF

On 29/09/2020 13:51, Andy Townsend wrote:

Hello,

How do people normally map things like "I know there is a public 
footpath that goes through here but it is currently inaccessible"?


A taginfo search finds a few candidates:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=overgrown#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=inaccessible#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=blocked#values

So far https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/overgrown seems the 
nearest (it's undocumented but mentioned on 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking ).  However, I'm sure that 
there are examples that I've missed.  Most seem to be used within note 
tags which can of course contain any old text - are there any actual 
non-note tags and values that are used for this that I'm missing?


Best Regards,

Andy




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Re: [Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and bridleways

[nathan case]

> Gareth L
> If there's literally no trace of the path any more, I'd be more inclined to 
> report it to the local council RoW officer before mapping something that 
> doesn't exist on the ground.

Of course, just because *evidence* of it doesn't exist on the ground, doesn't 
mean the route itself doesn't exist. Public rights of way are highways in their 
own right and access is enshrined by law.

Agreed though - contact your council's PROW team if the PROW is blocked or 
inaccessible. It will either need clearing or (if permanently blocked, e.g. by 
a lake/river/development) re-routing.

Cheers,

Nathan


From: Gareth L 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 2:29 PM
To: Andy Townsend ; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and 
bridleways

Depends if that condition is seasonal?
I've prioritised tagging width values on canal towpaths in some locations 
where, whilst legal, it's precarious to try and cycle along as they're 
practically less than a metre wide.
I've come across the following proposed feature 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle which didn't 
seem to get traction - though could be useful.

I think I've just added a barrier node to cover off routing engines/some 
renders + as accurate a surface value as you can but they've always had a 
viable, not too out of the way, alternative route.

If there's literally no trace of the path any more, I'd be more inclined to 
report it to the local council RoW officer before mapping something that 
doesn't exist on the ground.

Gareth

From: Andy Townsend<mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com>
Sent: 29 September 2020 13:51
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and bridleways

Hello,

How do people normally map things like "I know there is a public
footpath that goes through here but it is currently inaccessible"?

A taginfo search finds a few candidates:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=overgrown#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=inaccessible#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=blocked#values

So far https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/overgrown seems the
nearest (it's undocumented but mentioned on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking ).  However, I'm sure that
there are examples that I've missed.  Most seem to be used within note
tags which can of course contain any old text - are there any actual
non-note tags and values that are used for this that I'm missing?

Best Regards,

Andy




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Re: [Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and bridleways

[David Woolley]

On 29/09/2020 14:29, Gareth L wrote:
I’ve prioritised tagging width values on canal towpaths in some 
locations where, whilst legal, it’s precarious to try and cycle along as 
they’re practically less than a metre wide.


Unless you are just tagging with the actual width, I'd suggest that 
would be a dangerous precedent.  I've seen people wanting to invalidate 
official cycle routes because they think the traffic is too dangerous.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and bridleways

[Gareth L]

Depends if that condition is seasonal?
I’ve prioritised tagging width values on canal towpaths in some locations 
where, whilst legal, it’s precarious to try and cycle along as they’re 
practically less than a metre wide.
I’ve come across the following proposed feature 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle which didn’t 
seem to get traction - though could be useful.

I think I’ve just added a barrier node to cover off routing engines/some 
renders + as accurate a surface value as you can but they’ve always had a 
viable, not too out of the way, alternative route.

If there’s literally no trace of the path any more, I’d be more inclined to 
report it to the local council RoW officer before mapping something that 
doesn’t exist on the ground.

Gareth

From: Andy Townsend<mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com>
Sent: 29 September 2020 13:51
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and bridleways

Hello,

How do people normally map things like "I know there is a public
footpath that goes through here but it is currently inaccessible"?

A taginfo search finds a few candidates:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=overgrown#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=inaccessible#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=blocked#values

So far https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/overgrown seems the
nearest (it's undocumented but mentioned on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking ).  However, I'm sure that
there are examples that I've missed.  Most seem to be used within note
tags which can of course contain any old text - are there any actual
non-note tags and values that are used for this that I'm missing?

Best Regards,

Andy




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Re: [Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and bridleways

[Tony Shield]

Recently I did


   way- 837322924

designation 
 
public_footpath
foot  
designated 

highway  
no 

lit    no
note  
Definitive Line of Right of Way, no trace on ground
prow_ref  	Chorley FP 4
source  
survey;lancashire_county_council_prow_gis_data
surface  
grass



This was based on Robert Whittakers work on a nearby bridleway  
Changeset: 77988415




On 29/09/2020 13:51, Andy Townsend wrote:

Hello,

How do people normally map things like "I know there is a public 
footpath that goes through here but it is currently inaccessible"?


A taginfo search finds a few candidates:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=overgrown#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=inaccessible#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=blocked#values

So far https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/overgrown seems the 
nearest (it's undocumented but mentioned on 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking ).  However, I'm sure that 
there are examples that I've missed.  Most seem to be used within note 
tags which can of course contain any old text - are there any actual 
non-note tags and values that are used for this that I'm missing?


Best Regards,

Andy




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Re: [Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and bridleways

[Jez Nicholson]

My first thought was barrier=yes or some other form of barrier=* to tell
routers.

Another tag might be https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:obstacle

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 1:52 PM Andy Townsend  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> How do people normally map things like "I know there is a public
> footpath that goes through here but it is currently inaccessible"?
>
> A taginfo search finds a few candidates:
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=overgrown#values
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=inaccessible#values
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=blocked#values
>
> So far https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/overgrown seems the
> nearest (it's undocumented but mentioned on
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking ).  However, I'm sure that
> there are examples that I've missed.  Most seem to be used within note
> tags which can of course contain any old text - are there any actual
> non-note tags and values that are used for this that I'm missing?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
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[Talk-GB] Blocked / overgrown / inaccessible footpaths and bridleways

[Andy Townsend]

Hello,

How do people normally map things like "I know there is a public 
footpath that goes through here but it is currently inaccessible"?


A taginfo search finds a few candidates:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=overgrown#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=inaccessible#values

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=blocked#values

So far https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/overgrown seems the 
nearest (it's undocumented but mentioned on 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking ).  However, I'm sure that 
there are examples that I've missed.  Most seem to be used within note 
tags which can of course contain any old text - are there any actual 
non-note tags and values that are used for this that I'm missing?


Best Regards,

Andy




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