Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-04-02 Thread Joe Hughes
FWIW, the stop locations given in GTFS data sets are also defined to be the "location where passengers board or disembark from a transit vehicle". Cheers, Joe On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Roger Slevin wrote: > Peter > > I think it is important to separate out the infrastructure of shelters f

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-04-01 Thread Peter Miller
On 1 Apr 2009, at 09:42, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > > > However, In situations where the stopping position (as indicated by a >> lay-by, paint on the road or a section of raised curb) is different >> from >> the position of the shelter then the bus stop should be shown at >> the

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-04-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
We can thrash out these issues quickly at the weekend over a beer. I don't see that it's a big job to add the extra NaPTAN tags to the Birmingham filtered data. Presumably it would also be easy enough to import the remaining data within a full bbox if you filter out the "Birmingham" items. Cheers

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-04-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Peter Miller [mailto:petermille...@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Miller wrote: >Sent: 01 April 2009 8:05 AM >To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) >Cc: ro...@slevin.plus.com; 'Brian Prangle'; Talk-gb- >westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org; 'Thomas >Wood' >Subject: Re:

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-04-01 Thread Peter Miller
On 31 Mar 2009, at 23:43, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Roger Slevin [mailto:ro...@slevin.plus.com] wrote: Sent: 31 March 2009 11:20 PM To: 'Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)'; 'Brian Prangle'; Talk-gb- westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org; 'Thomas Wood' S

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Thomas Wood
General reply to this thread rather than anyone in particular. Regarding bearing, that's one we forgot to import. Filtering by Element was bad, should have filtered by a bbox. It'd have been useful to pull in the CUS BusStopType as some tag, rather than completely ignoring it. And we also now nee

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Roger Slevin
Andy That's about it! Thanks Roger -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@googlemail.com] Sent: 31 March 2009 23:44 To: ro...@slevin.plus.com; 'Brian Prangle'; Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org; talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org; 'Thomas Wood' Subj

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Roger Slevin [mailto:ro...@slevin.plus.com] wrote: >Sent: 31 March 2009 11:20 PM >To: 'Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)'; 'Brian Prangle'; Talk-gb- >westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org; 'Thomas >Wood' >Subject: RE: [Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Naptan alignment >

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Roger Slevin
Andy "Custom and Practice" stops - that is stops which are not physically marked - are a common feature in many parts of the country ... less so within Metropolitan areas than in rural ones. And many are not "signed in one direction to represent both directions" - they are without any sign. Thes

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Roger Slevin
Andy "Town" is an optional field in NaPTAN and is either not used or is used inconsistently ... it was included in the NaPTAN spec for legacy reasons, but is not used in any mainstream information systems. I suspect that the missing stops may well not have this field populated - or populated in a

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Roger Slevin
Peter I think it is important to separate out the infrastructure of shelters from the function of the bus stop - the shelter is often located where it can be fitted in ... and it can be mapped as a physical object. A bus stop represents a function - the boarding or alighting of passengers. It ma

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Roger Slevin [mailto:ro...@slevin.plus.com] wrote: >Sent: 31 March 2009 10:16 PM >To: 'Peter Miller'; 'Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)' >Cc: talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org; >'Brian Prangle' >Subject: RE: [Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Naptan alignment

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Peter Miller [mailto:petermille...@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Miller wrote: >Sent: 31 March 2009 8:51 PM >To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) >Cc: 'Brian Prangle'; Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org; talk- >tran...@openstreetmap.org; 'Thomas Wood' >Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Peter Miller
On 31 Mar 2009, at 20:22, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > Peter Miller [mailto:petermille...@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Miller wrote: >> >> 4) I notice that sometimes the NaPTAN stop and the OSM one are some >> significant distance apart which begs the question about which one

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Peter Miller [mailto:petermille...@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Miller wrote: >Sent: 31 March 2009 6:16 PM >To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) >Cc: 'Brian Prangle'; Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org; talk- >tran...@openstreetmap.org; 'Thomas Wood' >Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-transit] Naptan alignment

2009-03-31 Thread Peter Miller
On 31 Mar 2009, at 13:23, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > I've already started correcting data like this. I too have noted > that some > stops are not correctly positioned in relation to the road they are > on. > Where we only have a single trace along a road they could be correct