[OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-16 Thread Simon Poole
Hi all Congrats or not on the introduction of eircode system :-), there is naturally some insecurity as to if we can legally include the data in OSM from user contributions. It would be helpful if somebody could provide the text of the letter you received with your eircode to the LWG, and natura

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-16 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 17/07/2015, Simon Poole wrote: > Congrats or not on the introduction of eircode system :-), there is > naturally some insecurity as to if we can legally include the data in > OSM from user contributions. > > It would be helpful if somebody could provide the text of the letter you > received wit

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.07.2015 um 02:30 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo: > > But I actually don't want to play that game. I'd rather do my best to > let Eircode flop as hard as possible (amongst others by ignoring it in > OSM) so that in a few years time the government and/or a coalition of > geocoding users decid

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread moltonel
On 17 July 2015 11:30:55 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole wrote: >What better way to ignore than come to the conclusion that the data >can't be included in OSM and needs to be removed when it turns up? Good point :) If Eircodes can't be collected in a public db then it's a nail in Eircode's coffin. If i

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Killyfole and District Development Association
Maybe set-up a website like Free the Postcode in the UK ? http://www.freethepostcode.org/ Once the database gets to critical mass they will hopefully just open the data themselves, like the Post Office/Royal Mail were forced to do in the UK. Unfortunately, ignoring it and hoping it will go

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Daniel Cussen
>You type in your eircode and it finds your property, simple, no messing about >trying to find where you want to go. I know someone said they looked up eircode on their smartphone, clicked on the link and their phone automatically opened up the GPS co-ordinates and showed the route, presumably in

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Richard Cantwell
Hi All, As some of you are probably aware the sister company of my employer is part of the Eircode consortium (AutoAddress) I will have a word with the MD next week and get clarity on use restrictions. My current view is that the codes themselves are not copyrighted, but the ECAF (flat file wi

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Donie Kelly
Hi Richard While you’re asking can you ask will app developers be able to query the database as the website does currently? Even with the same usage restrictions it would be useful. That way apps could be built to navigate to the postcodes. Donie > On 17 Jul 2015, at 15:16, Richard Cantwell w

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Daniel Cussen
>Automagically scraping the finder.eircode.ie site is a grey area, I would >caution against >doing that for the moment. I was more suggesting a person opting to submit a known postcode, and have that result be marked in OSM. Probably using a mobile app using OSM and querying the finder.eircode.ie

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Daniel Cussen
So I did some tests. If I go to finer.eircode.ie on my phone and put in a postcode, and then click directions, the co-ordinates are handed over to my phone. I then have a choice of which mapping app to use. It is important to pick DIRECTIONS as other options use the eircode mapping website. The DI

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Michael Larkin
The Eircode leaflet refers to privacy statement on www.eircode.ie/privacy Skralm On 17 July 2015 at 14:01, moltonel wrote: > > > On 17 July 2015 11:30:55 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole wrote: > >What better way to ignore than come to the conclusion that the data > >can't be included in OSM and needs to

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Donie Kelly
HI Dan Are you on Android, because on iOS it only jumps to Apple maps when you click directions? Donie > On 17 Jul 2015, at 15:44, Daniel Cussen wrote: > > So I did some tests. > > If I go to finer.eircode.ie on my phone and put in a postcode, and > then click directions, the co-ordinates ar

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 17/07/2015, Killyfole and District Development Association wrote: > Maybe set-up a website like Free the Postcode in the UK ? > http://www.freethepostcode.org/ > > Once the database gets to critical mass they will hopefully just open the > data > themselves, like the Post Office/Royal Mail were

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Daniel Cussen
On android it asks dedicated mapping app, or firefox or chrome, and I select afterwards "just once" so it asks me every time. I assume if I do not pick just once it will remember and go straight without asking me, as your apple is doing. See here for first place I found after a search: http://www

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 17/07/2015, Richard Cantwell wrote: > My current view is that the codes themselves are not copyrighted, but the > ECAF (flat file with postal address and Eircode) and ECAD (database with > aliases, co-ords and other things) are copyrighted. That was my understanding as well. Because the actual

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

2015-07-17 Thread Donie Kelly
Hi Dan That just show me how to add the OSM overlays to an existing map in my app. The directions that come from the Eircode site uses a custom url scheme of maps.apple.com as it’s detecting that iPhone is in the user agent header. That will open the maps app automatic