Hi Arun,
This is an amazing idea. I am not sure how but would be happy to contribute. Part of my PhD deals with geo-spatial data infra in India. Thanks. Best, Amish > On Jan 31, 2020, at 3:35 AM, talk-in-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > > Send Talk-in mailing list submissions to > talk-in@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-in-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-in-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-in digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OSM India Chapter (Arun Ganesh) > 2. Re: OSM India Chapter (satyakam goswami) > 3. Re: OSM India Chapter (Arun Ganesh) > 4. Re: OSM India Chapter (Arun Ganesh) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:28:56 -0500 > From: Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com> > To: OpenStreetMap in India <talk-in@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter > Message-ID: > <CA+GKQr1vgCmiAsiPkSTpyJK=pnyhh3bf7hovdnodtarp30u...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM Pradeep Mohandas < > pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> In the Virtual Mappy Hours held yesterday, the OSM Chair Allan Mustard had >> suggested that we go ahead with the formation of an Indian chapter and >> officially affiliate with the OSM Foundation. This enables us to use the >> OSM Trademark officially. >> >> I thought I would start the thread on this list for people interested in >> this effort. >> > I know that there is an active Telegram group going on, but I think putting >> things on the mailing list will help archive the effort and discussion that >> goes into formation of a Chapter. For future historians of the >> movement,this would be something akin to the Constituent Assembly >> discussions are to India today. >> >> On the chat yesterday, I had cautioned that India has had previous bitter >> experiences with running organisations wherein a Foundation manages the >> organisations or groups in various countries. We are seeing the effect of >> that in the Wikimedia movement in India. Naveen, also on this group, has >> first-hand experience with this as he was involved in the formation of the >> Wikimedia India Chapter. >> >> I hope that such previous experiences of the members here will help us >> avoid the pitfalls and help to form a much more stronger OSM India Chapter. >> In India, the experience has been that the introduction of an organisation >> leads to dis-organisation of the community. I hope we can stay in this >> together and for the long haul. >> >> > This is a welcome step and i support the setting up of a chapter as a > longtime contributor to the project. We've organically grown as a hobby > community very nicely and with bigger players like corporates and the > government starting to use the data, it feels like having a legal > organization can enable much more to happen. > > Having also seen constant mailing list drama with the Wikimedia India > chapter, it would definitely be wise to learn from the chapter forming > experiences of other open communities in India. > > Lets list a few such successful and thriving chapters that folks are aware > of and that might help think of the next steps and folks to rope in for > guidance. > > Even more importantly, if anyone feels this is not a good idea, this is the > time to speak up and share their concerns. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/attachments/20200130/2040ac46/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 07:28:55 +0530 > From: satyakam goswami <satyaa...@gmail.com> > To: OpenStreetMap in India <talk-in@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter > Message-ID: > <CALre89k7eFGd7T98HbxfHzoh=eqar4egizf_i4mux-ixrp1...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> >> On the chat yesterday, I had cautioned that India has had previous bitter >> experiences with running organisations wherein a Foundation manages the >> organisations or groups in various countries. We are seeing the effect of >> that in the Wikimedia movement in India. Naveen, also on this group, has >> first-hand experience with this as he was involved in the formation of the >> Wikimedia India Chapter. >> >> I hope that such previous experiences of the members here will help us >> avoid the pitfalls and help to form a much more stronger OSM India Chapter. >> In India, the experience has been that the introduction of an organisation >> leads to dis-organisation of the community. I hope we can stay in this >> together and for the long haul. >> > > Hi Pradeep, > > I hear and understand the travails we too have been through same > experiences , i have seen many more than just the two examples you cited > > its been my fortune to have seen under various projects like Indlinux.org > then Linux users group of Delhi form societies then die , as recent as few > days back there was a little murmor in the ILUGD community as to the > paradox we have to live with on one side we love anarchy but the systems > around us expect us to have a form this is felt more when we want to > organize events, this we faced in with the Python community as well in the > last 11 years we have closed three societies ourselves just for the same > reasons , ultimately we came up with a model in which the community is > seperated from the seretarial work which has to get done in order to with > Sponsors and Vendors . > > now we have a model where PyCon India [1] is organized on rotation from > various users groups from around country,these users groups aka chapters > have no formal body they exist on Mailing lists and meetup groups [2] they > first show case the strenght in organizing the event of this magnitude then > we rally behind them to make it happen, its the local organizing community > which drives and decides how they want to spend the money for an event , > there are no gatekeepers at the end of the event all the financials are > made public after every event. > > [1] https://in.pycon.org/2019/ > [2] http://python.org.in/ > > thanks, > -Satya > Satyakam.dev | afrost.org | fossevents.in <http://www.fossevents.in> > ** For all official purposes use my name as Satyakam Goswami ** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/attachments/20200131/d63ad621/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:32:36 -0500 > From: Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com> > To: OpenStreetMap in India <talk-in@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter > Message-ID: > <ca+gkqr1hma6p2jsnjkeh0tj1ow3+yh4evzaagh9+7_ctzlu...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> >> >> >> now we have a model where PyCon India [1] is organized on rotation from >> various users groups from around country,these users groups aka chapters >> have no formal body they exist on Mailing lists and meetup groups [2] they >> first show case the strenght in organizing the event of this magnitude then >> we rally behind them to make it happen, its the local organizing community >> which drives and decides how they want to spend the money for an event , >> there are no gatekeepers at the end of the event all the financials are >> made public after every event. >> >> > Quite impressive, this also encourages smaller local groups to be active > rather than having a powerful central body which inevitably tends to become > distanced from those on the ground. > > Does every conference need to find a new supporting institution to handle > financials? Thats a part that can burn out volunteers trying to organize > events/conferences and making sure the accounting is taken care of. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/attachments/20200130/18030079/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:35:29 -0500 > From: Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com> > To: OpenStreetMap in India <talk-in@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter > Message-ID: > <CA+GKQr3KNj1R7=wdyab31irzqcwwozfrvbvptuvzgudghw3...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:32 PM Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>> >>> now we have a model where PyCon India [1] is organized on rotation from >>> various users groups from around country,these users groups aka chapters >>> have no formal body they exist on Mailing lists and meetup groups [2] they >>> first show case the strenght in organizing the event of this magnitude then >>> we rally behind them to make it happen, its the local organizing community >>> which drives and decides how they want to spend the money for an event , >>> there are no gatekeepers at the end of the event all the financials are >>> made public after every event. >>> >>> >> Quite impressive, this also encourages smaller local groups to be active >> rather than having a powerful central body which inevitably tends to become >> distanced from those on the ground. >> >> Does every conference need to find a new supporting institution to handle >> financials? Thats a part that can burn out volunteers trying to organize >> events/conferences and making sure the accounting is taken care of. >> >> >> > Coming back to the original reasons for an OSM chapter to be able to > officially use the OSM trademark, do the python user groups not have this > issue? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/attachments/20200130/7a31815e/attachment.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-in mailing list > Talk-in@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Talk-in Digest, Vol 137, Issue 10 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
