Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

And then you have people like myself who were new to OSM and reading the docs that say to join mailing list and to send email to mailing list before doing proposed import of data and get no reply. Maybe the people who would have replied use other channels and not the mailing list. In any case it

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

The Belgian community lives now mostly on Riot, we do have an IRC bridge and different channels to discuss dev or landuse related stuff. The main drawback is the lack of threads (ever tried to follow 2 discussions taking place at the same time, let alone read was said during the day ?). The not

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:10 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > Martijn van Exel writes: > > > Hi Simon, > > > >> > * everyone is on it > >> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially > >> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other > >> competing media (in

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

Martijn van Exel writes: > Hi Simon, > >> > * everyone is on it >> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially >> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other >> competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden. > > I would

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import, in Price George...)

Doug, Like Martijn said, many of us are on multiple communications forums. I'm on talk-us (and a bunch of others), IRC, Slack, Reddit and even on various Meetup Groups. I used to be on Facebook, but just couldn't tolerate FB attitude towards users privacy. Slack is available on desktops as a

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import, in Price George...)

Doug, I think we should / can rely on OSM US and community members who are on both Slack and email to relay information to this list as well. I for one appreciate the fact that Slack and other social media are not for everyone. I will keep following the list as I have for years and post

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import, in Price George...)

I stand with Greg Morgan and Rihards on this one (and I think, Steve, if I remember rightly). I watch my email, and read the messages and digests from the talk lists. I'm old-fashioned and don't even use a smart phone or any social media (probably the only person in California who doesn't).

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

On 2018.06.12. 11:08, Greg Morgan wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Martijn van Exel > wrote: > > I would argue that it is a good thing that people converge on one > platform to talk about OSM. Whether Slack remains the right choice > is something we

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > I would argue that it is a good thing that people converge on one platform > to talk about OSM. Whether Slack remains the right choice is something we > can debate. It was really the only feasible choice that was available to us > at

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

Hi Simon, > > * everyone is on it > That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially > force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other > competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden. I would argue that it is a good thing that people

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

> Clifford Snow wrote: > I must admit I like Slack better than some other forms of communications. Truly, I think that's great. And again, the many forms of communication OSM uses, including new ones, are a natural part of a project as large and diverse as OSM is. There ARE a great many, some

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Bryan Housel > wrote: > >> > I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the >> community or should we look elsewhere? >> >> Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Bryan Housel wrote: > > I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the > community or should we look elsewhere? > > Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work for the better. > > Here are some advantages.. > * lower barrier

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

Hi all, I have had good experience with riot.im matrix.org it is open source, mobile friendly and has an irc gateway. On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > > Am 10.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb Bryan Housel: > >> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

Am 10.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb Bryan Housel: >> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the >> community or should we look elsewhere? > Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work for the better. > > Here are some advantages.. > * lower barrier to entry

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the > community or should we look elsewhere? Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work for the better. Here are some advantages.. * lower barrier to entry for less technical folks * great mobile experience *

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

On 2018-06-09 1:19 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Apart from the reasons you mentioned, having a record is also an important factor. Anything that has gone on on these mailing lists is practically archived forever and for all to see This is also a good reason to ask questions on something other than

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

Hi, On 06/09/2018 04:31 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > I have objections to the use of Slack in particular, and to the use of > real-time communication tools in general (not just Slack but other tools > like IRC, HipChat, Rocket.Chat etc.). I think that while it would be ok for any of these to be

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

I have objections to the use of Slack in particular, and to the use of real-time communication tools in general (not just Slack but other tools like IRC, HipChat, Rocket.Chat etc.). My objections to Slack in particular primarily come down to the fact that using it puts too much control in the

[Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

SteveA wrote: At least once, Clifford invited me to join Slack as well. However, after reading Slack's Terms of Service Agreement (a contract of adhesion, really), I could not and do not abide with the ways which Slack (and other proprietary, not-open-source/open-data communication platforms)

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

2016-12-02 11:09 GMT+01:00 Fra Mauro : > Riot https://riot.im/ sembra essere un'altra possibilità... > > Ma c'è qualcuno a cui queste informazioni interessano? > secondo me possono essere interessanti... > Se sì potrei provare ad approfondire. > > Comunque credo che sia

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

On Friday, 2 December 2016 11:09:44 CET Fra Mauro wrote: > Riot https://riot.im/ sembra essere un'altra possibilità... > > Ma c'è qualcuno a cui queste informazioni interessano? Riot.im usa matrix.org, e matrix.org fornisce già l'accesso (senza altra configurazione se non il client, web,

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

Il 2 dicembre 2016 11:09, Fra Mauro ha scritto: > Comunque credo che sia Rocket Chat che Mattermost hanno bisogno di qualcuno > che ci metta un server... Peccato! Venerdi' scorso era il black Friday e c'erano server disponibili a partire da 10$ una-tantum.

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

Riot https://riot.im/ sembra essere un'altra possibilità... Ma c'è qualcuno a cui queste informazioni interessano? Se sì potrei provare ad approfondire. Comunque credo che sia Rocket Chat che Mattermost hanno bisogno di qualcuno che ci metta un server... Per Riot potrebbe non essere

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

Sia Rocket Chat che Mattermost sono due progetti Open source. Non so quale dei due sia più diffuso. So che Rocket Chat ha da poco creato uno snap per Ubuntu, non so se può aiutare per una eventuale istallazione:

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

2016-11-17 11:10 GMT+01:00 Fra Mauro : > O anche Mattermost https://www.mattermost.org/ > figo! sicuramente più in linea con il progetto OSM -- ciao Luca www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

O anche Mattermost https://www.mattermost.org/ Il giorno 10 novembre 2016 09:28, Alessandro Sarretta < alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > O forse meglio Rocket Chat https://rocket.chat/ :-) > > Il 10/nov/2016 06:41, "Cascafico Giovanni" ha > scritto: > >> Forse si

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

2016-11-09 22:41 GMT+01:00 Luigi Toscano : > In altre parole, un servizio proprietario. si, è anche motivo del mio riserbo questo fatto che loro stanno aspirando a diventare un facebook del lavoro e delle collaborazioni. Pare che sia conveniente però. Ciao, Martin

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

O forse meglio Rocket Chat https://rocket.chat/ :-) Il 10/nov/2016 06:41, "Cascafico Giovanni" ha scritto: > Forse si può sostituire con etherpad e rss2email? > > Il 09/nov/2016 22:42, "Luigi Toscano" ha > scritto: > >> Federico Cortese ha

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

On 2016-11-10 at 06:40:47 +0100, Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > Forse si può sostituire con etherpad e rss2email? da quel che ne so (non l'ho mai usato proprio in quanto proprietario) più con xmpp -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' ___ Talk-it mailing list

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

Forse si può sostituire con etherpad e rss2email? Il 09/nov/2016 22:42, "Luigi Toscano" ha scritto: > Federico Cortese ha scritto: > > 2016-11-09 21:18 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo : > >> Ciao vi giro questo invito dalla lista sviluppatori, per accedere

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

Federico Cortese ha scritto: > 2016-11-09 21:18 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo : >> Ciao vi giro questo invito dalla lista sviluppatori, per accedere potete >> utilizzare questo link >> >> https://osmitaliaslack.herokuapp.com/ >> > > Interessante, non conoscevo slack e non ho idea di

Re: [Talk-it] Slack

2016-11-09 21:18 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo : > Ciao vi giro questo invito dalla lista sviluppatori, per accedere potete > utilizzare questo link > > https://osmitaliaslack.herokuapp.com/ > Interessante, non conoscevo slack e non ho idea di come funzioni ma mi sono iscritto e

[Talk-it] Slack

Ciao vi giro questo invito dalla lista sviluppatori, per accedere potete utilizzare questo link https://osmitaliaslack.herokuapp.com/ Ciao. lorenzo Ciao, in questi giorni sto collaborando con alcuni mappatori alla prime armi e siccome non sono certo un

[Talk-us] Slack

Hi all, OSM US has had a Slack community for a while where you can chat with fellow mappers / OSMers. Slack is a popular group chat platform that is easy and free to use (but not open source, unfortunately). It works on the web, or with desktop and phone apps. We have 278 people on there who

[Talk-ca] Slack

Hi all, me again. Perhaps you know that OSM US started a Slack community a while ago. This has attracted a lot of folks and turned out to be a great place to chat with fellow mappers / organizers. If you don't know Slack, it's basically IRC with a friendlier face. Unfortunately it's not open

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

Waffle Love: The only reason that I am on Twitter is that I told two kids in a food truck about OSM. The only way I had to communicate with them was via Twitter. The grand experiment was to create a node with their information. Once I paved the way, then the Waffe Love Van's node would be moved

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 3:52 AM, Dave F wrote: > There's an irony in these latest communication channels (loomio?) being > called 'collaborative'. The more that are used within OSM the more > fractured the communication becomes. > > It wouldn't be so bad if any

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

One thing I find annoying about most wikis is that conversation threads are listed in order of which thread most recently received a reply, not by subject. In wikis with large numbers of threads, this means having to guess which search terns to use. Sorting by what message replied to what makes

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

I think we are talking different things and they are best suited to different needs. Personnally I hate being interupted, so Slack or something like it that waves at me and says look at this pretty picture doesn't work well for me. Neither does IRC to be honest. It is reasonably complex to set

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

> El 2 abr 2016, a las 13:48, Blake Girardot escribió: > > It is very easy to log, anyone can do it, there is no secret anything. If you > have a machine that is always on, like my desktop, you just log in and you > have the transcript/log of whatever goes on. There are

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

IRC is open, public and transparent. It is very easy to log, anyone can do it, there is no secret anything. If you have a machine that is always on, like my desktop, you just log in and you have the transcript/log of whatever goes on. There are literally 100's of people that do that in the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 11:52:36 +0100, Dave F wrote: > IRC, due to its exclusiveness does nothing to promote a "community" > which many wish to attain. Mainly due to IRC I met several high profile quality mappers and have a chat with them now and then which I never would have on any other medium.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 12:23:29 +0100, Dave F wrote: > > Do really want to read the full log of a chat room? > If there were a record, many IRC discussions wouldn't occur. Is that so? Despite OSM forum, wiki and help there are a lot of people who ask questions which are already answered. It

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

You want to ban meetups and irl friendships too? /Andreas Skickat från min iPhone > 2 apr. 2016 kl. 12:52 skrev Dave F : > > There's an irony in these latest communication channels (loomio?) being > called 'collaborative'. The more that are used within OSM the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

There's an irony in these latest communication channels (loomio?) being called 'collaborative'. The more that are used within OSM the more fractured the communication becomes. It wouldn't be so bad if any conclusions were broadcast, but increasingly they're not. IRC, due to its

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

You're wrong, plain and simple... Your conspiracy theory is silly and makes no sense. /Andreas Skickat från min iPhone > 2 apr. 2016 kl. 01:21 skrev Dave F : > > >> On 30/03/2016 22:20, Ian Sergeant wrote: >> >> I've never seen it as a hotbed of uncountered

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On 30/03/2016 22:20, Ian Sergeant wrote: I've never seen it as a hotbed of uncountered policymaking. This is another case which confirms my point: As there's no record, unless you're on it 24/7, you'll have no idea what it's being used for, or when. On a couple of occasions I've been

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On 29 March 2016 21:20:01 GMT+01:00, Tom Hughes wrote: >On the flip side who is included by IRC that is excluded by Slack? One big downside with slack-like mediums is the need to sign up and setup. Compared to irc where you can join in no questions asked, even anonymously if

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On 30 Mar 2016 10:24 pm, "Dave F" wrote: > If there were a record, many IRC discussions wouldn't occur. It's often used by the weak/arrogant who are too scared/self-important to have their opinions verified & countered. This is a bit harsh. In my experience it's

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

Martijn, I think your approach on this issue is spot on. I personally think that when a project like OSM supports non-Free software, especially ones run by external entities, it sends absolutely the wrong message. Worse still is if we force users to use these gatekeepers to interface with our

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

Hi Michael On 29/03/2016 21:58, Michael Reichert wrote: Hi Dave, Am 29.03.2016 um 22:45 schrieb Dave F: Because IRC works in real time. Contributors have to be in the same time zone (or stay up really late/ get up really early). It's biased towards densely populated zones ie Northern Europe

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:59:02 -0700, Ben Discoe wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Michael Reichert > wrote: > >> I find this a really worthwhile conversation to have. IRC is still > >> great for some but it’s hardly inclusive. > > > > Is http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ no

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Dave F wrote: > > On 29/03/2016 21:20, Tom Hughes wrote: > >> On 29/03/16 20:52, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> >> I find this a really worthwhile conversation to have. IRC is still great >>> for some but it’s hardly inclusive. >>> >> >>

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Michael Reichert wrote: >> I find this a really worthwhile conversation to have. IRC is still great for >> some but it’s hardly inclusive. > > Is http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ no web interface? I have tried (every year for the past ~20 years) to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

Hi Dave, Am 29.03.2016 um 22:45 schrieb Dave F: > Because IRC works in real time. Contributors have to be in the same time > zone (or stay up really late/ get up really early). It's biased towards > densely populated zones ie Northern Europe or East coast if North America. You will face this

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On 29/03/2016 21:20, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/03/16 20:52, Martijn van Exel wrote: I find this a really worthwhile conversation to have. IRC is still great for some but it’s hardly inclusive. In what way is it not inclusive? Because IRC works in real time. Contributors have to be in the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On 29/03/16 20:52, Martijn van Exel wrote: I find this a really worthwhile conversation to have. IRC is still great for some but it’s hardly inclusive. In what way is it not inclusive? Who does it exclude that is included by Slack? On the flip side who is included by IRC that is excluded by

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

Hi Martijn, Am 29.03.2016 um 21:52 schrieb Martijn van Exel: > I find this a really worthwhile conversation to have. IRC is still great for > some but it’s hardly inclusive. Is http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ no web interface? I might lack some advertisment (and maybe an modern styling). If you

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

I find this a really worthwhile conversation to have. IRC is still great for some but it’s hardly inclusive. I like Slack and started using it early on. We set up an OSM US Slack, initially just for the board to coordinate, but we extended it to be open for all soon. They even give us free

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

Hi, On 03/29/2016 07:33 PM, Luis Villa wrote: > +1 to this. OSM should be seeking to broaden the base of potential > mappers, and that means making sure that gateways to the community are > user-friendly - which these days includes good UX/onboarding experience > and mobile apps. Slack is a clear

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

I have set up a Slack bot using some software[1] that relays messages between a slack channel and an IRC channel. It is listening in #osm on OFTC and the #irc slack channel in Steve's team. I love my irssi+screen IRC setup however it kind of breaks down when it comes to a phone-friendly

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

Slack offers an irc gateway if you'd prefer to connect to slack from your irc client. Just sign up for the slack team and look in the "integrations" section for information about how to connect your irc client. On Mar 29, 2016 11:33 AM, "Toby Murray" wrote: > I have set up

Re: [Talk-us] Slack

youtube.com/watch?v=x6sSa5NpqUI > > I think it'd be an improvement over Hipchat for office environments > (seriously don't like Hipchat, but it's not my call) but I can't really see > myself using slack for OSM... > > ___ >

Re: [Talk-us] Slack

ioned on /r/furry around the same moment a coworker found it independently and sent me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6sSa5NpqUI I think it'd be an improvement over Hipchat for office environments (seriously don't like Hipchat, but it's not my call) but I can't really see my

Re: [Talk-us] Slack

+0.5 to Slack. It's clearly better than IRC on a number of fronts, but if it replaces publicly browseable/searchable interfaces, information can be lost for the casual folks who are the lifeblood of a community. (Meeting announces there won't be seen by the public, for example.) This usually isn't

Re: [Talk-us] Slack

Slack is easy to use and intuitive. It's a good way to communicate with a team, much better than (ugh!) Github or IRC (which is really primitive compared to Slack). I think it is a stronger tool for small to medium-sized groups, such as a working group, than all of OSM. It

Re: [Talk-us] Slack

On 2016.03.26. 21:59, Steve Coast wrote: Ok so look, Slack took over the world. And it turns out it’s pretty good and useful. Let’s have an official OSM slack. ... I realize that I’m inviting a discussion about how slack is an evil company or that we should all just use IRC, and those are fine

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

Hi Steve and list members, OSM US already set up a Slack that has a few dozen people on it. Originally the board used it solely for internal communications but now there are plenty of folks hanging out talking about OSM in general (not just OSM US). One particular nicety of our Slack team is that

Re: [Talk-us] Slack

Hi Steve and list members, OSM US already set up a Slack that has a few dozen people on it. Originally the board used it solely for internal communications but now there are plenty of folks hanging out talking about OSM in general (not just OSM US). One particular nicety of our Slack team is that

[Talk-us] Slack

Ok so look, Slack took over the world. And it turns out it’s pretty good and useful. Let’s have an official OSM slack. — Due Diligence: https://www.google.com/#q=slack+site:wiki.openstreetmap.org