Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...

2008-12-03 Thread ian lopez
Not only are they stealing our ish, they are not good "faultcheckers", as I found out barely an hour ago: $ Where's the island that has "Hospicio de San Jose" on it? (OSM has the island, Google "sunk" it) $ D Romualdez, Sr. is "part" of Natividad Almeda-Lopez $ The Uniliver Philippines compl

Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...

2008-12-03 Thread Jim Morgan
I can kind of see why Google is targeting Philippines and other developing countries. Its basically the same reason as we're doing Openstreetmap: because there is no good online map available. In HK there are a couple, so there is not as much need for another one. If you look at OSM for HK there

Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...

2008-12-03 Thread sorabsuperstar
I did now know about that project of google yet. ...and I am pretty confused and annoyed about google...AGAIN! I mean what shall this be good for? Certainly not for the greater good: Poaching contributors from a creative commons project, in order to fill in their own shortcommings in maping devel

Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Garcia
I tried the mapmaker only once. Immediately, I got turned off by the strict (which is a good thing actually) but meticulous (bordering on arrogant) moderator. that was it. did not attempt again. besides, I find the lack of gps trace support a dead end! how do you even start to put a road on a

Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...

2008-12-03 Thread maning sambale
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > You've probably discussed this already, but in case you haven't, it seems > that Google is entering the fray. > >http://maps.google.com/help/mapmaker/philippines/ > > I find it quite strange that the data

[talk-ph] Google making moves ...

2008-12-03 Thread Jim Morgan
Hi All, You've probably discussed this already, but in case you haven't, it seems that Google is entering the fray. http://maps.google.com/help/mapmaker/philippines/ I find it quite strange that the data on maps.google.com for the Philippines is laughably inaccurate, but the data in m

Re: [talk-ph] fun micro mapping-Luneta's Philippine Relief Map

2008-12-03 Thread Jim Morgan
maning sambale wrote, On Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:02 AM: > So I had the idea of try to put in OSM. So here it is rendered in Mapnik: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.584958&lon=120.982798&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF You clearly have too much time on your hands! :-) Jim __

Re: [talk-ph] openstreetbug feature enhancement request

2008-12-03 Thread maning sambale
Sorry wrong list On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:58 AM, maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > An openstreetbug feature enhancement request (or for future bug tracking > tool): > Add the data layer (as in the main OSM map) to view the the underlying tags > > cheers, > maning > -- > |-

[talk-ph] openstreetbug feature enhancement request

2008-12-03 Thread maning sambale
Hi, An openstreetbug feature enhancement request (or for future bug tracking tool): Add the data layer (as in the main OSM map) to view the the underlying tags cheers, maning -- |-|--| | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make o

[talk-ph] fun micro mapping-Luneta's Philippine Relief Map

2008-12-03 Thread maning sambale
Hi, When I went to CSB to talk about OSM Philippines and JOSM c/o the "smart" staff and Computer Applications Org (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2008-November/000124.html), I took the LRT-1 and saw again the largest Philippine Relief Map in Luneta (http://mayniladailyphoto.blog

Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map

2008-12-03 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
It's true that facts cannot be copyrighted (e.g., exact shapes of islands, roads, etc.) but a map is a *representation* and an *abstraction* of the real world. Copying from such a map means you're at the mercy of whatever creative processes the original mapmaker used (e.g., omitting very small isla

Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map

2008-12-03 Thread sorabsuperstar
Hi guys > > The original source > > is http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay. > svg&variant=zh-hk > > Which then points to: > Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. > http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx > that says: > "(c) Survey and Mapping Office

Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map

2008-12-03 Thread seav80
Another thing. It's not clear what the projection that Wikipedia map uses, so you cannot exactly trace it (or rectify it) if you don't know the original projection and the coordinates of the map's extent, even if the licensing is kosher. Regards, Eugene On 12/3/08, D Tucny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map

2008-12-03 Thread D Tucny
2008/12/3 maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The original source > > is > http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay.svg&variant=zh-hk > > Which then points to: > Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. > http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx > that says: >

Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map

2008-12-03 Thread maning sambale
in ubuntu: sudo apt-get install mapserver Let me know if you plan to take this route and I'll dig my config. But I suggest you take the mapwarper approach first. cheers, maning On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe someone had better tell Wikipedia as well

Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map

2008-12-03 Thread Jim Morgan
Maybe someone had better tell Wikipedia as well then ... ;-) I'll hold off for now then, but I was more interested in the technique as much as anything. I'd played around with it, but never got around to downloading my own WMS server, which seems like a bit too much hassle in fact. Jim manin

Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map

2008-12-03 Thread maning sambale
> The original source > is > http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay.svg&variant=zh-hk Which then points to: Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx that says: "(c) Survey and Mapping Office Lands Department Copyright r

Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map

2008-12-03 Thread D Tucny
2008/12/3 Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > OK, and as I've been dying to ask this question somewhere, I'm going to > flood the mailing list with an impossible two posts in the space of an hour. > > I'm assuming the maps on Wikipedia are open source. I used to live in Hong > Kong and here's an exam