Hi Steeve, We have some interesting issues here...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Steeve Ebener < steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org> wrote: > Dear Maning, > > Thank you very much for your email to the group and all the great work you > guys are doing. > > Few complement of information from our side: > - we need to standardize the way location are collected either using GPS > devices or Google Earth/map. The attached form is therefore proposed for > your review/feedback/comments. > - In order to avoid duplication of work, the DOH would provide OSM with > the list of facilities (including DOH codes) for which a coordinate is > missing > If OSM contributors will help locating health facilities by adding data to the OSM database, then our source will either be any of the following: 1. GPS device (standalone like Garmin or TomTom, or a mobile app like on Android or iOS) 2. By locating on Bing Maps. We cannot use Google Maps or Google Earth to add data to the OSM database, but we have permission from Microsoft to use Bing Maps aerial imagery to add data ONLY to the OSM database. Other people are free to obtain the same data but via OSM's database license. 3. By extrapolating from the existing OSM data. For example, given an address of a facility, it may be possible to locate the facility just by interpreting the address. - Regarding the data sharing issue. It is now clear that we will have to > keep OSM and DOH geo-location DB separated which means that: > - it will unfortunately not be possible to integrate DOH points in > OSM data > This I find interesting. According to the Intellectual property code of the Philippines (R.A. 8293), "No copyright shall subsist in any work of the Government of the Philippines." If the DOH data has been collected by DOH employees in the course of their official duties, then there is no copyright. The non-profit clause has been argued to be a separate right from copyright. If that is the case, then it *may be* should be possible to include the pure DOH data into OSM. > - OSM collected points will be integrated into DOH DB with a clear > mention of the source. I of course can't promise this will happen for sure, > but I will personally work on getting an official acknowledgement from the > DOH regarding OSM contribution to this work. In addition to that, the first > discussion I had seems to indicate that it will be possible for OSM to > mention their contribution to filling the gaps in DOH's DB. Please bare > with me on this as there is still some way to go but I will keep pushing. > Have you read the ODbL, which is the open license under which OSM data is licensed? Certainly, attribution to the OSM contributors is required, but the share-alike property also needs to be followed. Regards, Eugene > Looking forward hearing from the group on your email and the above (I have > registered to the mailing list) and the possibility to work together on > this. > > Best regards, Steeve > > Steeve Ebener, Ph.D. > CEO Gaia GeoSystems > P.O. Box 795 – P.C. 114, Muscat - Oman > cell: +968 952 57 526 > email: steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org > web: www.gaia-geosystems.org > Twitter: @GaiaGeosystems > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener > > One Planet, One System > > Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Thank you > > > -----Original Message----- > From: maning sambale [mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] > Sent: vendredi 1 février 2013 15:03 > To: osm-ph; Steeve Ebener; Mark Anthonie Bello > Subject: Possible collaboration with OSM and DOH to locate health > facilities > > Dear everyone, > > I had a meeting with Department of Health (DOH) IMS division on the > possibility of collaborating with the OSM-PH community. No clear plans yet > on the collaboration but I would like to put forward the discussions in > this list. > > = Overview = > Basically, DOH intends to improve their database for the location of > health facilities in the country. They will use the data on several > information management of the Department. At the moment, they have several > database developed in various projects. > Each db uses a different system but one thing they lack is a uniform > geographic identifier. An example of the db is available in the Unified > Health Management Information System portal [0]. This online portal lists > ~21,000 health facilities all over the country. > > At the moment they were able to geocode ~4,000 locations [2] (~20%). > > = What they need from OSM = > > A couple of ideas that were discussed are: > - Verify the location of the 4,000 geocoded facilities in the existing > OSM data. Right now, there isn't any clear evaluation on the accuracy of > the locations (a process of Q/A is now being developed). > Some facilities are actually in Sulu Sea! Check out the southern part of > Negros island [2]. > - Fill in the gaps. the IMS division have limited funds to individually > verify and take GPS readings of each facility. OSM data can possibly fill > in the gaps. Using the Overpass turbo [3], I was able to check that we > have ~1,100 amenity=hospital ways and nodes. > Note that some maybe duplicates and I have not included other health > facilities like barangay health centers (tagged as amenity=clinic > clinic=public [4]). > - Ask the community to map more health facilities. The only additional > tag they want included is the Health Facility Code (an alphanumeric code > similar to NSCB's PSGC [5]). This code will allow them to link the OSM > geometry into their health facility db. > - Train DOH staff to edit OSM. > - Build some easy to use tools to collect data in the field. > > = Pending issues = > As with most government data, they are available only on a non-commercial > use. Specifically, the DOH generated locations. For the other information > in the online db, they are OK with public access without restrictions. This > will be in conflict with OSM's ODbL. A workaround discussed was to > separate the DOH db with OSM's data points. No public db will be > distributed that integrates both data sources. Is this in compliance with > the ODbL? If not, what are other ways in which we can use OSM data in > relation to DOH's plans. > > Everything I've listed are open to discussions. I included here two > people from DOH to keep them aware of the discussions. (@ Steeve and Mark, > please subscribe to our mailinglist [6] to keep track of the > discussions) > > Regardless of what DOH intends to do, I encourage everyone to include > health facilities in your own list of things to map. > > Thanks! > > --- > [0] http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/UnifiedHMIS/ > [1] http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/doh_facility/rfacilitieslist.php?cmd=resetall > [2] http://maps.doh.gov.ph/facilities.html > [3] http://overpass-turbo.eu/ > [4] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-March/001872.html > [5] http://www.nscb.gov.ph/activestats/psgc/default.asp > [6] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > -- > cheers, > maning > ------------------------------------------------------ > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > >
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