Re: [Talk-us] Boston Coastline leak? Re: Where next?

2009-02-01 Thread Peter Miller
On 31 Jan 2009, at 17:56, Bill Ricker wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Bill Ricker > wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Christopher Schmidt >> wrote: >>> just assumed it was a renderer problem instead of a data problem. >> >> looks like it's both ?-) >> >> can you or someone

[Talk-us] directions of ways in MassGIS data

2009-02-01 Thread Greg Troxel
In Massachusetts osm has state GIS data, and a number of the 1-way ways are the wrong direction. This is particularly obvious for divided highways, e.g. Rt 2 inside 128, 495 near Rt 2. Clearly I could go edit these manually. But I wonder if there is automated way to fix this, perhaps by going b

Re: [Talk-us] directions of ways in MassGIS data

2009-02-01 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 10:33:24AM -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: > > In Massachusetts osm has state GIS data, and a number of the 1-way ways > are the wrong direction. This is particularly obvious for divided > highways, e.g. Rt 2 inside 128, 495 near Rt 2. > > Clearly I could go edit these manually

Re: [Talk-us] directions of ways in MassGIS data

2009-02-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Christopher Schmidt writes: > MassGIS does not encode the direction. Oneways which are potentially > wrong are marked with a FIXME note to fix the incorrect directionality. > (I believe it is 'FIXME: Unconfirmed oneway'.) MassGIS pays NavTeq for > routing data, and does not have a 'free' source

Re: [Talk-us] directions of ways in MassGIS data

2009-02-01 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 10:55:56AM -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Christopher Schmidt writes: > > > MassGIS does not encode the direction. Oneways which are potentially > > wrong are marked with a FIXME note to fix the incorrect directionality. > > (I believe it is 'FIXME: Unconfirmed oneway'.) M

[Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread Hilton Long
Tiger line files are incomplete, especially as regards streets in new developments. It's possible to draw the streets from Yahoo imagery. But where to get the names? Must they come off of street signs? Is it a violation of copyright to take the names (and ONLY the names) from Google, Yahoo, or

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread richard
Hilton Long said: > Tiger line files are incomplete, especially as regards streets in new > developments. It's possible to draw the streets from Yahoo imagery. But > where to get the names? Must they come off of street signs? Is it a > violation of copyright to take the names (and ONLY the name

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread Ian Dees
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM, wrote: > Hilton Long said: > > Tiger line files are incomplete, especially as regards streets in new > > developments. It's possible to draw the streets from Yahoo imagery. But > > where to get the names? Must they come off of street signs? Is it a > > violatio

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread Karl Newman
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM, wrote: > >> Hilton Long said: >> > Tiger line files are incomplete, especially as regards streets in new >> > developments. It's possible to draw the streets from Yahoo imagery. >> But >> > where to get the n

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Google, Yahoo, don't match in a lot of cases. Google uses Tele Atlas data which is obviously derived from same sources as Tiger and often completely outdated, in wrong places On 1 Feb 2009, at 13:36 , Ian Dees wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM, wrote: Hilton Long said:

Re: [Talk-us] OSM American User Group Page

2009-02-01 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
have started to play a bit with route relations as proposed in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging relations are really great especially when using JOSM. But without documentation what has been done already it may end in multiple relations created fro the same Intersta

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread 80n
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM, wrote: > >> Hilton Long said: >> > Tiger line files are incomplete, especially as regards streets in new >> > developments. It's possible to draw the streets from Yahoo imagery. >> But >> > where to get the n

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread SteveC
On 1 Feb 2009, at 13:36, Ian Dees wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM, wrote: > Hilton Long said: > > Tiger line files are incomplete, especially as regards streets in > new > > developments. It's possible to draw the streets from Yahoo > imagery. But > > where to get the names? M

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread Russ Nelson
SteveC writes: > Right but the names on the streets might not be facts. They might be > wrong *on purpose*. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs What about the public domain USGS topographic maps and DOQ (Digital Orthographic Quads aka aerial photos) available v

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread Ian Dees
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > SteveC writes: > > Right but the names on the streets might not be facts. They might be > > wrong *on purpose*. > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs > > > The reason mapmakers get away with copyrighting fact

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread Chris Lawrence
One issue here is that while U.S. law does say that facts aren't copyrightable (I believe the original case dealt with copying of names and numbers from phone directories), that does not mean that every jurisdiction in the world agrees (notably, I am pretty sure that Britain's courts ruled differen

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Chris Lawrence writes: > I think OSM is probably on the safest legal ground by stating that you > shouldn't copy anything from any map (at least no map that isn't under > a compatible license or in the public domain), To be clear, you are replying to Ian Dees (given the References header) and n

[Talk-us] US relations tagging redux (was Re: OSM American User Group Page)

2009-02-01 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > have started to play a bit with route relations as proposed in > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging > > relations are really great especially when using JOSM. > But without documentation what has been done alr