[Talk-us] A particularly bad case of dupe node elimination

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
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[Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread PJ Houser
Hi all, I have some basic questions: 1) Why are relations preferred for bike routes? 2) In the database, how do relations apply to ways? The attributes associated with a relation - how are they tied to ways? Will routing software use the attributes in a relation to determine if a way is

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, PJ Houser wrote: 1) Why are relations preferred for bike routes? Because a stretch of way can belong to different routes at the same time, and this is difficult to model without relations. 2) In the database, how do relations apply to ways? The attributes associated with a relation -

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 12:25 -0800, PJ Houser wrote: I have some basic questions: 1) Why are relations preferred for bike routes? Think of it like US highways, say US26 in Portland. 26 is at times a motorway, but it's also carried on Clay Street downtown and Powell Blvd on the east side. The

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread john
I know that, using relations, a particular way can be part of several different routes. Is this also true if the ways are used directly, instead of through a relation? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles From :mailto:d...@sr71.net Date :Thu

[Talk-us] relations, ArcMap OSM Editor, maintaining way IDs

2011-02-03 Thread PJ Houser
Another question... Any idea how relations would be affected if I use ArcMap's OSM Editor to conflate roads in OSM with our regional super-up-to-date public domain data? Would I be able to maintain OSM's unique road IDs so I don't break any relations the roads might be a part of? Thank you!! --

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/03/2011 02:25 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Hi all, I have some basic questions: 1) Why are relations preferred for bike routes? Relations are preferred for /all/ routes, actually. This is because the attributes of said route span unique ways. For example, only parts of Marine Drive in

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/3/2011 3:25 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Hi all, I have some basic questions: 1) Why are relations preferred for bike routes? If there's a continuous route from point A to point B, it's easier to keep track of it as a relation. If there's just a signed network using bike route signs, there's no

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/3/2011 6:37 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I know that, using relations, a particular way can be part of several different routes. Is this also true if the ways are used directly, instead of through a relation? Yes, using semicolons: lcn_ref=1;8

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/3/2011 11:15 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: underlying ways often have refs that belong to them (like bridge numbers) but not the route itself. You've said this a number of times without explanation. Why does the bridge number, or ODOT's internal referencing, belong to the way, while the route

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/3/2011 11:20 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: If it's a bicycle boulevard, it should have it's own LCN relation (even if it does have one member), as it would also qualify as a route. And the way will probably be split up many times over it's existence as turn restrictions get added, ways get split