[Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Matthias Meißer
Hi Folks, the organisation of "Operation Cowboy" seems to be nearly finished. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Operation_Cowboy I guess we have enough target areas and thanks to Martjins Map Roulett enough ideas on how to find new tasks :) Thanks fly out to everybody who starts a mapping "ca

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Carl Anderson wrote: > A "Colloquial core phrase" is something we all use everyday. We shorten > names down to a useful, but still meaningful, core. > If I were to say that I was at 14th and K, many of my DC friends would know > that I was at the intersection of

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Paul Johnson
I don't think the Tulsa one is going to happen, lack of venue. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Matthias Meißer wrote: > Hi Folks, > > the organisation of "Operation Cowboy" seems to be nearly finished. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Operation_Cowboy

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Jim McAndrew
Paul, Martijn had suggested contacting the local library and seeing if you can reserve a study room or something like that. If you can't pull something together this weekend (it's not really a good weekend for get togethers in the US), I would love to attend a mapping party in OK in the future. S

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
I will post on openstreetmap.us as well. I did set up a SLC event but I don't know if anyone is going to show up for that. Lots of folks have family obligations around here this weekend it seems. Also I am preparing MapRoulette's next challenge in case we run out of connectivity errors over the we

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Toby Murray
It is great to see some good PR happening before the event kicks off! I just put up a blog post about a few things I have done to try and help out before the fact. [1] I mention this at the end of the post and it is listed on the wiki page but please do be aware that there is an IRC channel dedic

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Paul Johnson
I've tried to do that, Tulsa County referred me to Creek County...Creek County doesn't return my calls and they never seem to be open (do we still have a library??). I think Thanksgiving is a big factor, and I would expect the lack of visibility among tribal citizens being a contributor (my tribe

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
That is a great post. I will just link to that on openstreetmap.us instead of writing another one! On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Toby Murray wrote: > It is great to see some good PR happening before the event kicks off! > > I just put up a blog post about a few things I have done to try and >

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Mark Gray
The discussion about how to tag a street name is important whether the tags are on the street or in an address. Can we move toward using relations instead of tagging the street name in each address? Copying the street name into each address is problematic. If we hope to some day have all addresse

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Richard Welty
ok, thanks, carl. this helps. i'm working on an emergency services related project right now and it's helpful to learn about these things. the next question is this. supposing we implement Steven's proposal, how does this help in emergency services mapping projects, that is, what does this bre

Re: [Talk-us] Operation Cowboy - Progress/Todo

2012-11-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hmm sorry to hear that! To offset a negative experience, my experience with the SLC public library has consistently been great - they have an online reservation form, where you can state you preference for room size (I think they have rooms to accommodate up to 50 people) and equipment / services /

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Steven Johnson
Hi all, Two things: First, thanks Mark, for a very useful suggestion. I need to think about it, but I think it has merit from the standpoint of streamlining the address assignment process, as well as keeping address points in sync with their associated streets. Second, Richard, please see Carl's

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Apollinaris Schöll
relations seem to be a elegant solution for people with technology background. And all your arguments are good ones BUT they have quite some disadvantages. Too many non techies have problems to get the concept right. As a result they break existing relations or they are scared away from editing os

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 21.11.2012 22:51, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: relations seem to be a elegant solution for people with technology background. And all your arguments are good ones BUT they have quite some disadvantages. Too many non techies have problems to get the concept right. As a result they break exis

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/21/12 5:48 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 21.11.2012 22:51, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: relations seem to be a elegant solution for people with technology background. And all your arguments are good ones BUT they have quite some disadvantages. Too many non techies have problems to get the

[Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Hello all, I don't know a lot about this, but apparently there is a current effort in the U.S. to improve the addressing in rural areas so emergency responders can locate addresses more easily. It might be advantageous to look at their addressing scheme to see if there is something w

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/21/12 6:20 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Hello all, I don't know a lot about this, but apparently there is a current effort in the U.S. to improve the addressing in rural areas so emergency responders can locate addresses more easily. It might be advantageous to look at their addr

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Mark Gray [mailto:mark-os...@hspf.com] > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address > tagging scheme for US > > In taginfo, I see there is already some use: > 86023 instances of associatedStreet > 14921 instances of Street > This is still small compared with: > 1546

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/21/12 4:16 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: Second, Richard, please see Carl's post which talks about the proposal from the standpoint of emergency services. Carl could likely say what the pros & cons are of splitting the tags vs loading everything in the addr:street tag. i did read Carl's post.

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Steven Johnson
About 10 years ago, West Virginia had a state-run project funded by cellular surcharges to assign city style addresses to everything, largely to support better E911 response. The National Emergency Number Association (NEMA) may have pointers to the schema. -- SEJ -- twitter: @geomantic -- skype: s

Re: [Talk-us] Feature proposal: proposed expanded address tagging scheme for US

2012-11-21 Thread Steven Johnson
I understand what you're saying. It is a nice solution, but it's not without trade offs. In the very short run, relations are difficult for new mappers, both conceptually and using the existing tools to create and maintain them. In the longer run, I think our editing tools will improve, hopefully