Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-24 Thread Alan Millar
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 01:40 -0400, David ``Smith'' wrote: Maybe we should use signed_name=* or name:signed=* to store exactly what's on the sign, preserving abbreviation and prefixes where present? I found N. Temple, No Temple, and North Temple on city street signs all within a few blocks.

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-23 Thread Dale Puch
I basically agree with Mike A couple of links for reading relating to this discussion. (Several are PDF's) http://www.co.larimer.co.us/streets/rules.htm http://www.ltg.gov.vi/GIS_2010/usvi_street_naming_project_guidelines.pdf http://flathead.mt.gov/gis/documents/Conventions.pdf

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-23 Thread Kevin Atkinson
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Dale Puch wrote: What locals use can be placed in another tag if it differs from the official name, but should not be the primary name in the database. Local governmental standars do affect how we try to break up the names, but not how locals (as in along that street) use

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-23 Thread Dale Puch
Actually I think it is pretty easy, if tedious. Check with the local government office. They have tons of information of interest to OSM. It is a matter of verifying permission to use it, and importing it in some way, or in this case referencing it. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Kevin

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-23 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2010-08-22 19:28, you wrote: I wouldn't put too much stock in the fact that directionals on street signs are often in smaller fonts. The people who are responsible for such signs are trying to make them useful

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-23 Thread Mike Thompson
Can we agree that prefixes should probably be separated out if they are hardly ever (I don't want to say never as there are always rare exceptions) included in the street sign in any form? Yes. I think that is reasonable. For other cases I think we really need some locals input in how

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-23 Thread Mike Thompson
All that aside, multiple types of land records for different uses, as well as existing maps, all agree Then under the guidelines I suggested, it would seem that this is a valid case where directionals are not really part of the street name and are in the data only because of Tiger. The issue I

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-23 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2010-08-22 19:28, you wrote: I wouldn't put too much stock in the fact that directionals on street signs are often in smaller fonts.  

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-23 Thread David ``Smith''
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: You have caused me to do some real thinking and digging on this subject.  I think this debate is good, and will lead to better OSM data in the long run. If official local government sources use pre-directionals, this is

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-22 Thread Mike Thompson
With the exception of SLC, other places in Utah that use a grid system and perhaps a few other cities that only a local could identify, I am opposed to your proposal. In most places I have lived or visited, the directional is an integral part of the name. I concede that SLC (and the rest of Utah

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Directional Prefix Suffix Indication

2010-08-22 Thread Kevin Atkinson
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010, Mike Thompson wrote: With the exception of SLC, other places in Utah that use a grid system and perhaps a few other cities that only a local could identify, I am opposed to your proposal. I specifically said this decision should be made by locals. In most places I have