Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say make the changes at the city admin level for these reasons. The tribal nations are viewed by the courts as territories but they tend to act more at the city[4] to county[3] COG [1] level. The squabbles feel

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-28 Thread Greg Morgan
I don't mean to offend any one in the tribal nations but I don't really care about voting aspects of the admin levels in the discussion. This is a mechanical geometry placement issue in my view. The Tohono-Oodham and Glendale Arizona case show just how messed this issue can be in making the right

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-19 Thread Paul Johnson
I don't see how that's the case, the reason being that the Supreme Court has clearly ruled that tribes are above the state but semi-dependant on the fed, as far as the law is concerned. Furthermore, the state may still intervene, but has the option not to in situations where it would otherwise be

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-19 Thread Paul Johnson
But, basically, what it boils down to, effectively, for us, is that tribal nations, as far as the current supreme court is concerned, views such areas as being much more analogous to Puerto Rico and Guam than as states, cities or counties. PR and Guam are subservient territories of the US, but

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, given pnroman's git maps, and recent court cases, where's the problem in my proposed tagging of indian nations, overlapping states but below the US proper? On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Looks about right. So...what's the issue? On Wed, Jun 25,

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
I should add that I do not intend on changing state boundaries, just mapping indian nations where I know the boundaries to lie on the ground, as higher than state, lower than the country, inside the US only, if that wasn't clear on the admin level argument. It would still be possible to render a

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-18 10:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I should add that I do not intend on changing state boundaries, just mapping indian nations where I know the boundaries to lie on the ground, as higher than state, lower than the country, inside the US only, if that wasn't clear on the admin level

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Looks about right. So...what's the issue? On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 2014-06-25 3:36 PM, Steve All wrote: Paul Norman wrote: I took TIGER data and produced data showing what some states would look like:

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-06-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-24 6:50 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Do you propose cutting the areas out of the states, i.e. so that IRs are not in any admin_level=4 relations? That's what you have to do if you're fitting IRs into the admin_level hierarchy. No, since the states often have agreements for limited

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-06-25 Thread Martijn van Exel
Insightful maps! If this were reality, then why don't the official boundary files from Census look like this? I don't think we should be changing our admin_boundaries just yet. On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 2014-06-24 6:50 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Do

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-06-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-25 3:36 PM, Steve All wrote: Paul Norman wrote: I took TIGER data and produced data showing what some states would look like: https://gist.github.com/pnorman/30244b2984216285735d Those are truly excellent visualizations, Paul. Thank you for producing them. Whether right or

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-06-25 Thread stevea
Paul Norman wrote: I took TIGER data and produced data showing what some states would look like: https://gist.github.com/pnorman/30244b2984216285735d Those are truly excellent visualizations, Paul. Thank you for producing them. Whether right or wrong this shows the power of a little bit of