Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-03 Thread Bill Ricker
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:21 PM Kevin Broderick wrote: > However, that assumes that you can trust the news to be accurate, > Always a questionable assumption -- whenever you know the facts behind a story, you see what they get wrong. > and the distinction between "closed in winter" and "not

Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-03 Thread Nathan Grasso
Since OSM is used around the world, shouldn't intellectual property laws in other countries be considered? Nathan Grasso https://osm.org/user/Hexocyte On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:12 PM Mark Wagner wrote: > In the United States, facts can't be copyrighted, only specific ways of > expressing them.

Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-03 Thread Kevin Broderick
However, that assumes that you can trust the news to be accurate, and the distinction between "closed in winter" and "not maintained for winter travel" is not one I expect the news media to get right. The article I saw quoted the driver has having seen a "Not maintained for winter travel" sign and

Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-03 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 14:47:35 -0500 Bill Ricker wrote: > Kevin asks, > > is Jefferson Notch Road actually closed to wheeled vehicles in > > winter or > just not maintained? > > Per copyright news reports, it is signed as closed to wheeled > vehicles, open to snow-machines only, in winter. > (As

Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-02 Thread Bill Ricker
Kevin asks, > is Jefferson Notch Road actually closed to wheeled vehicles in winter or just not maintained? Per copyright news reports, it is signed as closed to wheeled vehicles, open to snow-machines only, in winter. (As should be obvious, to correctly tag this according to our license, we do

Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-02 Thread brad
Considering the keys pointed to by Zeke, I also like winter_service=no. There are a few US or state highways in CO which close, the tagging is not consistent. US 34, Independence pass https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/627645541#map=17/39.10849/-106.55914 "motor_vehicle"="conditional=no @

Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-02 Thread Greg Troxel
Tod Fitch writes: > In the California Sierra Nevada I tagged a couple of roads with: > > conditional:access=“no @ (Nov-May)” > note=“Seasonal closure from first snow until spring, see CalTrans website for > status” > website=“http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi” > > With the barrier=gate at

Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-02 Thread Kevin Broderick
If we're going with access:conditional, it *should* be mode-of-transport specific. It's pretty common for closed-in-winter roads to be open to non-wheeled transport (e.g. skis and snowmachines); the other road I've lived near (Beartooth Pass, US 212 between Red Lodge and Cooke City, Montana)

Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-01 Thread Zeke Farwell
This looks like something that there still is not consensus on. Here are couple of roads that are not plowed in the winter in my area of Vermont. Both are tagged differently: Lincoln Gap Road: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/19729533 VT 108 through Smugglers Notch:

Re: [Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-01 Thread Tod Fitch
In the California Sierra Nevada I tagged a couple of roads with: conditional:access=“no @ (Nov-May)” note=“Seasonal closure from first snow until spring, see CalTrans website for status” website=“http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi” With the barrier=gate at either end of the seasonal

[Talk-us] Jefferson Notch Road and latest "GPS made me do it" in the news

2020-01-01 Thread Bill Ricker
> Burlington Family Rescued After GPS Leads Minivan Down Snowmobile Path. BURLINGTON (CBS) > It was an early morning rescue by ATV Sunday in Jefferson, New Hampshire. > ... The family was stranded on Jefferson Notch Road, which is restricted to snowmobiles only during the winter months. > 2 days