Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 17/mar/2014 um 02:28 schrieb Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com: If I need to split a building, the original primary key does not stay with one of the two pieces of the building. Two new buildings are created with two new primary keys. as a side note this is not like you

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-17 Thread Alex Barth
Just posted my comments to key points that came up in the conversation over on the diary: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21221#comment25849 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hello everyone - I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-17 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Alex, Some of the points you continue to make are patently false. 1. There is more open data coming online by the day and we are not compatible Let's take this apart. If the data is open, by which you mean that it would fall into something like the definition of freedomdefined.org, then there

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-16 Thread stevea
In system management, success is reaching the next bottle neck. My take away from Alex's concern is What is the next bottle neck for OSM to focus on? We can already see some of the great successes that MapBox has created from the ideas used to make a slippy map. I am so thankful for the

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Phil! Gold
* Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com [2014-03-13 10:26 -0400]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21221 This is really similar to the discussions that periodically happen in the open source software community over whether share-alike licenses like the GPL or open-use licenses like the

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Randy Meech
I am still thinking about this and look forward to Alex's talk next month in DC. However, as a business user who directed a lot of money toward OSM at one point in my career, I thought it would be useful to run through why the SA aspects of the license were important to me at the time. I was at

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Alex Barth writes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21221 Another aspect of where the ODbL hurts us: Because we are using a restrictive license, we cannot argue against other parties that use a restrictive license. Look at New York State's GIS Clearinghouse. Individuals not

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Simon Poole
Yes, I believe that is fairly clear. We do however seem to have a clear continuing increase in the average rate of new contributors too. Simon Am 14.03.2014 22:39, schrieb Richard Weait: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: And while I haven't updated my charts

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-14 Thread Simon Poole
Am 14.03.2014 21:47, schrieb Carol Kraemer: .. Let's say that there are 1,500,000 registered users http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Osmdbstats1_users.png as is stated by the first graph. I will also look at the last year of % of total users contributing where the highest

[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Alex Barth
Hello everyone - I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a while and finally decided to, um, share. I've been listening long to many OpenStreetMappers I respect a ton telling me it's not so bad and it's just what we're stuck

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-13 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hello everyone - I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a while and finally decided to, um, share. I've been listening long to many OpenStreetMappers I