Cleveland may have something to say on that :) On Dec 11, 2013 4:24 PM, <talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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Re: Tags to use for chain stores in the United States > (Richard Welty) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:22:26 -0500 > From: Alex Barth <a...@openstreetmap.us> > To: Open Street Map Talk-US <talk-us@openstreetmap.org>, > t...@openstreetmap.org > Subject: [Talk-us] State of the Map US 2014 April 12 and 13 in > Washington DC > Message-ID: > <CAL7WjHT8k9tT5BATmA3SsZ-2Ghy= > nsgwxdhrx+hqtbyqnmc...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello everyone - > > The OpenStreetMap US team is happy to announce that the State of the Map US > 2014 will take place in Washington DC on April 12 and 13. > > I'm excited about this location as it is a great place to showcase the > growing adoption of OpenStreetMap among individual mappers, in government, > non profits and businesses in the US and abroad. The city is easily > accessible and many individual and institutional OpenStreetMap contributors > are located nearby. In addition to bringing together the existing > OpenStreetMap ecosystem we have great potential to capture audiences who > might not have tried OpenStreetMap yet. > > After all, we want to grow OpenStreetMap, in numbers and diversity. > > Please find all details on our blog: > > http://openstreetmap.us/2013/12/state-of-the-map-us-2014/ > > We will post a call for session proposals soon. Looking forward to your > submissions and I hope to see you in Washington DC - > > Alex > > -- > Alex Barth > Secretary > OpenStreetMap United States Inc. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20131211/dbd05399/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:26:28 -0500 > From: Richard Welty <rwe...@averillpark.net> > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United > States > Message-ID: <52a8ca74.1090...@averillpark.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 12/11/13 3:18 PM, Mike N wrote: > > Just an opinion about the superstore that includes a full sized > > supermarket and full sized non-food department store: it almost merits > > its own tag, or at least 2 nodes to clearly show the 2 store classes. > > But then one could also argue to include the in-store bank, > > hairdresser, nail salon, snack shop, etc as separate nodes. > separate nodes is probably the way to go, actually. a walmart super center > consists of a walmart discount department store, a walmart supermarket, and > a suite of the various in store services. i think you need a separate node > because - citizen's bank, pizza hut, nathan's hot dogs, etc. you should > identify > the vendors providing the in store services because who they are can > matter. > > richard > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 946 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20131211/f21dadba/attachment-0001.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:29:30 -0500 > From: Richard Welty <rwe...@averillpark.net> > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] State of the Map US 2014 April 12 and 13 in > Washington DC > Message-ID: <52a8cb2a.6050...@averillpark.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 12/11/13 3:22 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > > Hello everyone - > > > > The OpenStreetMap US team is happy to announce that the State of the > > Map US 2014 will take place in Washington DC on April 12 and 13. > glad to see it come back to the east coast, as this is a good location for > me (i can drive instead of fly). > > but it'd be good to see a mid western location in 2015. > > richard > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20131211/d3a929fb/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 946 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20131211/d3a929fb/attachment-0001.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:31:09 -0600 > From: "John F. Eldredge" <j...@jfeldredge.com> > To: OpenStreetMap Talk-US Mailing List <talk-us@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United > States > Message-ID: <379854be-29ff-429a-8d02-281c07451...@email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2013/12/11 Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhau...@gmail.com> > > > > > Personally, I tag "big box" stores like Target, KMart, WalMart etc > > with > > > shop=department_store, just because that seems like the closest fit > > that > > > isn't too restrictive (they're much more than a supermarket, to my > > mind). > > > > > > > > > a supermarket can sell a lot of stuff that is not food and still > > remain a > > supermarket, e.g. the bigger ones might also sell clothing or some > > consumer > > electronics (tv, pc). A department_store has lots of stuff and lots of > > salesclerks serving you. > > > > kmart vs. > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/72294117@N03/7645650440/in/photolist-cDBXvj-dq7UY1-ePHTru-bzJeq-bzJiD-cLqWVb-cLqV7E-cLr1dJ-9HVd61-93H2Bi-fqvVSW-fqgRhp-fqgCZF-fqvSz9-fqgDvH-9XxowN-cDBZdU-cz73B1-8pPW7V-gvtUD5-gvtG83-7MJmWf-7MJoSQ-7MEupg-7MJuo7-7MJoKf-7MEpki-7MJrKW-7MEmRp-7MEmtr-7MEB4M-7MJtrd-7MJn5G-7MEBMa-7MEmAt-92tyfy-ePJ3xs-gvubH6-akA57y-ekk8vZ-cgQsed-7Zsd71-cXAMRY-cXAL4q-cXAHio-cXAJiQ-asWMnp-buguzF-bugtMt-c4vfy9-8m1Xv1 > > > > department stores: > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Central_Department_Store_ZUM_Sofia_20090406_007.JPG > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Harrods%27_Egyptian_room.JPG > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Paris_Lafayette_inside.jpg > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KaDeWe_Deli.JPG > > > > generally a department_store has more of the pricier stuff or at least > > tries not to appear too cheap, while a supermarket tries the opposite: > > appear as cheap as possible. Also a supermarket will have a huge > > parking in > > front of it, while a department store will be found in the city center > > and > > will have an underground or parking deck. > > > > For those you name I think they would be better classified as > > supermarkets. > > > > cheers, > > Martin > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-us mailing list > > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > However, in common usage, supermarket refers to a store where the majority > of merchandise sold is food. The big-box stores typically sell some food, > but the majority of the merchandise is not food. > > -- > John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com > "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. > Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." > Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20131211/4a279b44/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:55:27 -0600 > From: Sean Bartell <o...@yotann.org> > To: Richard Welty <rwe...@averillpark.net> > Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United > States > Message-ID: <20131211205527.GA6801@flcl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Richard Welty on 2013-12-11: > > On 12/11/13 3:18 PM, Mike N wrote: > > > Just an opinion about the superstore that includes a full sized > > > supermarket and full sized non-food department store: it almost merits > > > its own tag, or at least 2 nodes to clearly show the 2 store classes. > > > But then one could also argue to include the in-store bank, > > > hairdresser, nail salon, snack shop, etc as separate nodes. > > separate nodes is probably the way to go, actually. a walmart super > center > > consists of a walmart discount department store, a walmart supermarket, > and > > a suite of the various in store services. i think you need a separate > node > > because - citizen's bank, pizza hut, nathan's hot dogs, etc. you should > > identify > > the vendors providing the in store services because who they are can > matter. > > +1, especially since each sub-store may have its own opening hours, > website, and phone number. I've also been using separate nodes for > pharmacies and banks within supermarkets. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:16:26 +0100 > From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > To: Richard Welty <rwe...@averillpark.net> > Cc: "talk-us@openstreetmap.org" <talk-us@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United > States > Message-ID: <deb04b7b-1aee-49a3-9b72-c8c374e23...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > Am 11/dic/2013 um 21:26 schrieb Richard Welty <rwe...@averillpark.net>: > > > > a walmart super center > > consists of a walmart discount department store, a walmart supermarket, > and > > a suite of the various in store services. i think you need a separate > node > > because - citizen's bank, pizza hut, nathan's hot dogs, etc. you should > > identify > > the vendors providing the in store services because who they are can > matter. > > > are these different from a shopping mall? Maybe that's a new class like > shop=super_center (or is this a brand?) or superstore or ... > Or maybe an attribute to supermarket? > > Cheers, > Martin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:23:23 -0500 > From: Richard Welty <rwe...@averillpark.net> > To: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > Cc: "talk-us@openstreetmap.org" <talk-us@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United > States > Message-ID: <52a8d7cb.4080...@averillpark.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 12/11/13 4:16 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > >are these different from a shopping mall? Maybe that's a new class like > >shop=super_center (or is this a brand?) or superstore or ... > > Or maybe an attribute to supermarket? > > shop=super_center would make some sense. > > basically, they're an even bigger version of the big box, > with the discount department store on one side and > the supermarket on the other, neither really being > dominant. and usually they have some contract vendors > for additional services near the exists, like banks, > food vendors, opticians, etc. > > so you could draw one big outline and then nodes > for the supermarket, the department_store, and > the individual vendors. or you could tag the whole > outline with shop=supercenter and then drop nodes > for the contractors (amenity=fast_food, name=Pizza Hut > and so forth) > > richard > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 946 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20131211/42b349e1/attachment.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > End of Talk-us Digest, Vol 73, Issue 28 > *************************************** >
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