Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Toby Murray writes: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm trying to get a better understanding of the railway=abandoned tag and see what the community thinks about it. FWIW there's been a similar discussion on

[Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Dobratz
I'm trying to get a better understanding of the railway=abandoned tag and see what the community thinks about it. It seems that there are a handful of railroad enthusiast users that are systematically adding current and former railways into OSM, and in some cases re-adding railways that I have

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 07/12/2012 12:37 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: What makes railroads a special case? Do we really want a bunch of railway=abandoned Ways running directly through newly constructed runways, buildings, roads, parking lots, etc? I'm of two minds. A lot of my map projects relate to the back

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm trying to get a better understanding of the railway=abandoned tag and see what the community thinks about it. FWIW there's been a similar discussion on talk-gb recently. The consensus seems to be railway=abandoned for railways where there's still some physical trace

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm trying to get a better understanding of the railway=abandoned tag and see what the community thinks about it. FWIW there's been a similar discussion on talk-gb recently. The consensus

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Mike N
On 7/12/2012 12:37 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: It seems that there are a handful of railroad enthusiast users that are systematically adding current and former railways into OSM, and in some cases re-adding railways that I have removed. I have been operating under the assumption that if a physical

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Greg Troxel
I think it's important to separate there's a way in the db and there's a line on some render. Personally, I want to see old railway lines on the map. I find there's almost always evidence along the line, but not always at some point. So I think we need tags that are more like the USGS maps,

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mike N. wrote: So they are present, and don't hurt anything. None of the 'standard maps' will bother to render them. A railway map could use them if it needed to. I delete them if they go through current buildings or parking lots also. Yes, that's a sensible attitude. I think it's also

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Dobratz
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: I am of course one mapper who's been mapping former railways. (Russ Nelson is another.) There is certainly value in seeing how the current disconnected bits of railway infrastructure used to connect. I've also mapped

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 11:43 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: NE2, So after I bring up that I don't think railways should be drawn through buildings, and most people agree with me on that, you decide to do this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.762886lon=-71.430509zoom=18layers=M Does 86 Central Street,

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 10:45 PM, Mike N wrote: On 7/12/2012 4:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: This is a strawman, since there will rarely be more than one former line across a small area. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone wants to map all the former second tracks, sidings, and such,