Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP

2013-02-14 Thread Alexander Jones
Dave Hansen wrote: I know the current turn restriction relations aren't suited for it. But, instead of tagging left turn restriction from X to Y shouldn't we be tagging the pavement has an arrow that says left turn only? See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn Alexander

[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2013-02-12

2013-02-14 Thread Dave Hansen
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@

[Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Brian Cavagnolo
Hey guys, In my research group (the Urban Analytics Lab at Berkeley's Department of City and Regional Planning), we use parcel data for land-use projection, accessibility, and visualization. For example, over the past couple of years we worked with regional government agencies here in the Bay

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Brian Cavagnolo
Ha. Totally missed this very recent discussion on the matter: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-December/010017.html Nonetheless, feel free to respond. I'm going to go do some more homework ;-) Ciao, Brian On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Brian Cavagnolo

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Steve Coast
Brian Personally I think it's brilliant you're working on this, and I'd love OSM to work hand in hand to make it happen. Ideally I'd love OSM to be the repository for this, it helps everybody. There is speculation (but no actual statistically valid causation data) to suggest that imports

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Ian Dees
Before this discussion moves forward we should define what parcel data is. In my mind it's mostly-abutting polygons representing land ownership. Usually it comes with metadata about tax information and ownership information, and sometimes it has address information for buildings built on that

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Ian Dees
PS: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Brian Personally I think it's brilliant you're working on this, and I'd love OSM to work hand in hand to make it happen. Ideally I'd love OSM to be the repository for this, it helps everybody. +1 to you working on

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread the Old Topo Depot
Hi Brian, I'd like to ask for some of your time to meet in person to talk more about this, as I'm the SF Bay Area, and am very interested in discussing this sort of work. Please contact me off-list if you're amenable. Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Steve Coast
We can solve the problem by sitting around waiting for it to happen, or forcing the issue by going and doing this. I suggest the latter is better :-) Steve On Feb 14, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: PS: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Brian May
On 2/14/2013 3:43 PM, Ian Dees wrote: Before this discussion moves forward we should define what parcel data is. In my mind it's mostly-abutting polygons representing land ownership. Usually it comes with metadata about tax information and ownership information, and sometimes it has address

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Paul Norman
From: Brian Cavagnolo [mailto:bcavagn...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:29 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM Is parcel data useful to OSM? Parcel data in of itself has not found a use in OSM. Parcel data bounds

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Brian Personally I think it's brilliant you're working on this, and I'd love OSM to work hand in hand to make it happen. Ideally I'd love OSM to be the repository for this, it helps everybody. I'm with Steve on this.

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Marginal. While this doesn't *always* mean that something shouldn't be mapped, we're a crowd-sourced map, and including something the crowd can't improve on seems questionable. Or it means someone in the crowd nailed it

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi Brian, All of your questions are good, and like you mentioned, we had a debate about this in late December. I don't think we (community and our software) are ready right now to import all of the parcel data in the US. However, it does not mean we should sit around and do nothing either! One

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Brian Cavagnolo writes: We really want a nationwide consolidated, standard parcel database to build upon. Indeed. Is parcel data useful to OSM? Yes. Can parcel data possibly be kept up to date? No. Does parcel data meet the on the ground verifiability criteria? No. Not really.