a really good
connection, you understand why it is so desireable (as well as why it's
inconsistent with some of the nuevo stuff). That being said, I do like trying
some of the "fancier" steps as well.
(I just wish I were better at it).
My two cents,
David
> --
is
takes some practice. He's certainly better at it than I am. I usually only
take a couple steps when on outside closed, before doing something else.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
David
> From: Mario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Tango-L]
Edmundo,
Here are the two main on-line Calendars for Tango events in the Boston area.
http://tango.havetodance.com/calendar.html
http://www.bostontango.org/
I hope this helps.
David
> From: "Edmundo" <[EMAIL PROT
Martin,
Thanks for clearing that up. Now could you tell us, is it Toe First or Heel
First?
David
> From: Martin Waxman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Tango-L] Who invented the basic step?
To: tango-l@mit.edu
> I've been following this
rom someone as well respected as you are.
What do you think? Will you help us out?
: )
David
>From: Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [Tango-L] Atlanta Tango Festival Video
>To: tango-l@mit.edu
&
om/watch?v=-0kmqbQTUlk
Flaco Dany and Silvina Vals dancing to Tango Negro by Caceres
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53V9y06jMUc
Enjoy,
David
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> From: Mario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Tango-L] My very favorite video in all of YouTube... yours?
Benoit,
Thanks for posting this. Here's another one from the same couple that I like
as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJBwxD188GI
Regards,
David
Benoit de Gentile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David,
>
> I recommand you to watch this video that I
Of course the left shoe goes on first. Those nuevo types are the only ones who
start with the right shoe.
Hope this helps,
David
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> From: "Melroy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Left or Right shoe first?
> To:
>
st don't let it get to you, (and even more important), don't
become one of them. Just make your posts like you have in the
past and don't let a few snide remarks change who you are.
Regards,
David
PS: I read all your posts and click on your links. I just
don't
I really liked how she did some of
the pivots, though.
I'm curious what others think.
Regards,
David
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> From: Mario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Tango-L] Smoke in your eyes
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
>
> I like this dance...it'
ore likely to stay with it. What are you doing to encourage the beginning
leaders to stay with it, and to get the "mediocre" leaders to improve?
David
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> From: "Astrid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] gender i
ith, and seem to be perfectly happy. It would appear, they don't see any
value in doing what is needed to dance with you.
IMO, if you keep doing what you've been doing, you're going to keep getting
what you've got.
David
Astrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
nd before "?" in the link). I'll post it below, but the
email might goof it up again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqgujDIWlOc
Regards,
David
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Subject: [Tango-L] A Troublesome Lead
To: tango
at time at this festival. So how does OsterTango
measure up?
Regards,
David
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> From: Chris, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Astrid
>
> In the rest of the tango world, the majority of da
d with that, let the crying about American Tango continue.
David
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I always feel that kudos and complim
to
practice it to really get some proficiency at it, but IMO you are incorrect
that watching video on youtube (or elsewhere) is of no value (with the
exception of how it applies to you).
David
> --
>
> Date: We
step (molinette), or a boleo.
Similiarly, from a fromt ocho, the typical next steps are another front ocho, a
side step, a boleo, or even a parada. Going from a front ocho step directly to
a back ocho, would be an example of the change (as is a back ocho directly to a
front ocho step).
Dav
Sergio,
Thanks for the informative posts. They are very much appreciated.
Regards,
David
Subject: [Tango-L] Estilo Villa Urquiza
From: Sergio Vandekier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mon Jun 30 00:20:42 EDT 2008
Astrid,
These are some great links. Thanks for posting them.
Regards,
David
Mario,
The bar has been raised. Let's see if you can top these.
: )
Subject: [Tango-L] Estilo Villa Urquiza
From: Astrid &l
Thanks Jack,
That is fairly consistent with what I have been taught as well. You explained
it better than I did, though.
Regards,
David
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> From: Jack Dylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Changes of direction
> To: Tango-L@
this video will be of some help.
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=bpJRhda4cfY
Regards,
David
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> From: Mario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Tango-L] Traspie
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
>
> Well I've been after finding out what 'TRASPIE&
to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4CebSBIsTU
Second: Chicho and Cecelia dancing to a much different song, "El Andariego"
by Pugliese. But still, their musicality is flawless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu9a7jzfLqc
What do others think?
Regards,
David
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I have no clue if the info is any good, but there are a few links listed on the
Tango Wiki web site.
http://wiki.tango.info/mul/Cape_Town
Regards,
David
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Town
of it.
David
> From: "Christian L?then" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] new video
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
>
> . . .
>
> But perhaps it's just my misconception, I would love to hear wh
, my current philosophy is that I lead steps, and invite embellishments.
Regards,
David
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From: Sergio Vandekier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I guess we can agree about certain elements:
1- Couple Dance technique requir
. I will
freely admit that I have a long way to go in my learning of this art, however.
Regards,
David
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> But given a lead is an invitation, she can certainly *resist* a lead, i.e.
> change
> the timing. She can even t
t;his"
level of politeness.
Maybe what we are really debating is how much can Argentine Tango change,
before it is no longer Argentine Tango. Unfortunately, I don't have the answer
to that question.
Regards,
David
PS: Who made this quote?
"I lead every t
correcting, as if my lead is bad, people won't
continue to dance with me, and if the follower can't follow (in the leader's
eyes), she won't get asked to dance much.
Hopefully, I'll keep learning and improving.
Take care,
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if it isn't
how they learned).
Sure, there is a LOT more to ANY art than just the technical aspects, but I
suspect it's as good a place to start as any place else, however I could be
wrong, so I welcome further debate on this (but forgive me if I ignore the
whining).
Regards,
David
f saying,
"it's getting a little dark in here".
BTW, I've had the pleasure taking classes (and privates) from Maria (and
Gustavo) in Vermont, and let me just say that both of them are two of the
nicest people you would ever want to meet (and excellent teachers, too).
R
it when people try to
create their own style.
David
His arm thing is something I'd attribute to personal style. It's a shame
when young people sacrifice elegance for the sake of steps, which is what
this couple is doing
ttle less mysterious for me, rather than
thinking of this nebulous thing called "connection".
Regards,
David
> From: "Brian Dunn"
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Improving Discussion - Clarification of terms
>
> . . .
d video study to
greatly enhance my learning of tango, and I know my progress has been
greatly enhanced by it. Sometimes people say something can't be done, when
the truth is a lot closer to, THEY don't know how to do it.
Take care,
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Robin,
We guys are rather simple creatures. If you tells us, then we'll
understand. If you don't tell us, then we won't understand (and then we
have to guess). In your experience, how often does a man accurately guess
what a woman is thinking?
: )
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l get a more balanced perspective. FWIW, most of my
classes/workshops have been either good or very good.
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Keith,
While I normally agree with most of your posts, have you considered the
possibility that some of these people who you very sorry for, might be
experiencing something that you don't get? What is "natural", often depends
on which person we are talking about.
David
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Pamela,
I'd recommend talking to Ellen at Providence Tango, to find out what they
used, as I think they have the best floor around (and I'm not the only one
who thinks so).
David
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have a 3/4 tempo. Vals or
Waltzes do, (although I must confess that I actually feel most vals with a 6/8
tempo, rather then a 3/4 tempo).
http://www.merriam-webster.com/spanish/vals
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at least with
the right song), the connection aspect of the dance.
It really shouldn't have been that hard to express opinions and disagree
without having a childish temper tantrum.
My two cents (and it may not even be worth that much),
David
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people would agree that he was a milonguero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kss3vPOqJ8
Regards,
David
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Subject: [Tango-L] Building the Myth
Sanitizing the nuevo and nuevotizing the milonguero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqFW6ix_9o&
e teachers. Sometimes,
a different approach is needed. I'd probably try to get someone like
this to take privates, rather than another group beginners class.
David
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Subject: [Tango-L] Getting tango lesso
.
For most men, I suspect if women won't dance with them, they'll soon find a
new hobby or venue (like the man in Lois' post, who was never seen again).
My two cents (if it's even worth that).
David
From: Michael
Subject: [Tango-
explained,
at milongas I'm not fooling around with stuff that I don't know how to
do yet. That's when the music can inspire and help me, once I've
already learned it, (not so much when I don't really
listening with another, each step along the Tanda.
Further I do not forget tango is a nice social dance.
David
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was part of the experience the performers had (deal with it) and
it was part of the performance for the audience.
Do it because it is fun and show off some. Seduction works best when it
becomes a question and when it is an accent.
Hope that helps.
David
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Hey Tim:
Good post, I think your getting it.
In answer to your question, try this:
As a Lead marking the step the Follow takes.
Listening to the response the Follow gives.
Just give it a try and run with it, with out any expectations.
David
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. It is who I am and the way I have seen things
since I was a young one, long before tango. So it does not work at all for
me.
Sounds like you have a nice balance between the two.
David
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insurance cover the rotator cuff repair that I am going to need if I keep this
up? Sorry for the sarcasm, but this doesn't seem right.
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Correction:
Both women danced with Arnold in True Lies.
Tia Carrere acted more sexy.
But Jamie Lee Curtis got dragged across the floor.
What is to say NO about either woman and their expression.
Baby, do that again.
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mbined with a follow clamping down on it with her
left is quite painful, even after only one tanda.
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IMO even in an open embrace there is SOME weight sharing going on.
The amount of shared weight should be negotiated.
PS Your rotator cuffs
system as we
know it come from? Did they change partners every song? Or never? I am
utterly clueless.
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ut I do not understand the blind conservatism, in any life endeavor, that
argues that "we do it the way we do it because that is how we do it" and then
proceeds to defend "it" as being the only true way on this basis. Sorry, but
this is probably the scientist nerd in me r
What can anyone tell me about the Orquesta "Los Mancifestas"?
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in me.
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marks as:
"Forms of tango where the embrace is opened, often classified as 'tango
fantasia' or 'tango nuevo' are reserved for the stage or for
exhibitions at some milongas."
But I certainly could be (and often am) wrong.
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self will be out to dance tonight. I expect some dances will be blah,
some will be friendly or fun. Some will be sexy, and some will be really
hot.
Enjoy the evening my friends and have at least one nice dance.
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offended you. I would be happy to introduce my self so that you do
not have to dance with me and have lots of opportunity to dance with other
Leads.
Take care.
David Hodgson
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To
re old and look like they need to change their
Depends. Now can we drop the arrogant [EMAIL PROTECTED] & whining and get on
with anything that adds value to the discussions on this list rather than just
wastes bandwidth? Please?
Respectfully,
I liked the sockpuppet idea - gave me images of 'Sesame Street does
Tango' complete with 'Kermit visits his first brothel' and the whole SS
gang hanging out in the streets, dressing sharply and murmuring in
Lunfardo
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flict, I can have an
excellent evening of dance, and I only feel slightly bad about all those sad
intermediate follows lined up against the wall looking hopefully out at the
floor.
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Subject: [Tango-L] Double decker buses?
When looking at Tango, one must take into consideration
not only the culture
hat
sitting down with the latest issue of a physics journal is the greatest of
pleasures.
And there are many, myself included, in this world who derive a great deal of
pleasure from excelling.
I guess that I miss the point of the question.
Cheers
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y? Is it fear of change? Is it bad tribal behavior?
Evolutionary biology meets grouchy old people? I'm clueless!
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nto his
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not
intrude on your dance?
I absolutely do not understand the antagonistic attitude that you present.
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Who cares about nuclear bombs.
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PS: I do derive some pleasure from annoying grammarians.
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Wow Astrid..
I think the whole idea is kooky. It is like saying men are more logical than
women.
My thought, in what arena.
David
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BRX except that by not pivoting with my partner her
back right is open and not cross.
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P.S. And yes Astrid - follows are not expected to get this. It does however
represent the intellectual side of the lead process for at least some of us
leads.
P.P.S. I know that I "l
close embrace.
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Sergio, this is America. The women generally dont fight back.
When the opportunity does present it's self for this type of tango with
intention and not pantomime, it is a great conversation.
Just as great as something calm and gentle.
David.
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IF the follow
has the requisite skill and fitness. But lack of any of these doesn't make the
style "not social", it simply means that
the floor is too crowded or that the lead or follow isn't up to his / her job.
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s for a few of those pesky
walking steps in between stopping to cause a traffic jam). I am also not even
remotely unique in the world of leads
who are, or are trying to learn to be (this be me), decent Nuevo leads who
listen to and interpret the music,
just as do dancers of all strip
most Tango
- think D8CB, or ocho-cortada. But, as has been pointed out repeatedly on this
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Grow up!! What is that bumper sticker? More Wag and Less Bark? Please.
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lude a constant
guiding of every motion of the follow any more than a torso lead includes
constant guiding. That again is a skill issue, and not an absolute.
Just M2CW
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I think that there are too many dancers who view an individual's style as fixed
and inflexible, which is often
just not true.
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ose sight of technique,
clarity (or lack thereof) of my lead, my partner's reaction to my lead and
technical adjustments that I should make, etc.
For me the entire dance, and every song of every tanda, even with my regular
partner of 3
spiral, but a more enthusiastic action.
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Nina;
This is beautiful and honest.
I owe you a tanda,,, because.
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PS: The same goes for me dancing with a woman.
It is what they offer and share, also how they offer and share in the dance.
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Nina;
Offering and sharing are words and symbols. Mostly semantics.
The question is not how far the rabbit hole goes. The question is how far
does one think or assume it goes.
Then again we each get to choose where we dance, do we not.
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ve in a spot dance where the
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easily remedied. Read. Learn. You might for example start with
Tango: The Art History of Love by Robert Farris Thompson.
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story.
He will be missed greatly not only as a fantastic dancer, but also as a life
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I have been informed on this list that if I dance other than "milonguero
style",
then I am not dancing real Argentine Tango.
I have been informed on this list that if I allow the woman latitude to reject
my lead indication,
then I am not dancing real Argentine Tango.
I have been informed o
nly when I am too tired to really dance. Then I just lead with
clarity and dance through her.
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t a hellovalota fun to dance like this: I lead, she follows
in her own manner, I deal with it and
then lead the next step, and she does something, and I deal with it... etc.
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Perhaps you could provide a better and clearer example that a new dancer could
easily understand???
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is comfortable, and the information that I convey to her is not confounded
with
noise coming from a waving/pumping arm.
Etc. Sounds quite practical, yet as a byproduct, quite elegant.
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English with both NYC and West Coast influences, and with a smidgen of south
Louisiana creole
influence for lagniappe. That would sound silly and rather pedantic to my
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