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Steve wrote:
> Possibly the boy had heard some Tango music in a Mickey Mouse cartoon.
> I
> know I was exposed to a lot of other culture music in cartoons as a
> child.
This is the case.
I grew up in small-town Ontario with eyes and ears glued to the one
snowy TV station we could reliably ge
The ubiquitousness of FB notwithstanding, one marvels that people don't
realize that even if you ever just looked at it and did NOT join, you
are now being tracked from then on every minute you are on the web.
Every site you visit builds them your profile. So that when you arrive
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r his words and thoughts.
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"Shahrukh owns a restaurant in BA."
How interesting. Good to know. I too have used cooking and food as a way
to fill the gap left by a not-interesting tango scene that used to be
thrilling.
And the pitch for Shahrukh's "come to my place, old-timers" weekend just
got a LOT better!
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I'm amazed I didn't think of it before!
If Shahrukh brings us all together for a weekend of partying OOPS -
brainstorming! - we could really have a fantastic time and re-invent the
wheel, surely. Heh, heh.
Everybody please press "like."
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(Hi Lois)!
This past weekend I did 3 milongas in Canmore, Alberta.
The organizer, Yves Mayrand, always has a back-up for everything.
His intention was to set-up his Bose system with 4 Tweeters and a
whoofer. It's software controlled, and fabulous.
But I suggested we test his bose boombox whic
Trini, I'm sure pretty much everybody has pondered the points you raise.
So many issues for the dj around Pugliese's recordings.
His 1950's-onward recordings are one thing and a different topic from the
40's recordings - which Must be heard and played for dancing.
It is true that the intensity of
Thank you SO much, Mr. Jobs!
In early 1984 I bought MacIntosh #000311. That was it for me; love at
first touch. Every time Mac grew, I bought the new model. Thinking back, I
realize I spent an awful lot of time full of glee showing friends what a
computer could REALLY do. For years. It can still h
Thanks from me, too Sharuhk, for the music news especially! I envy you the
concerts you've just witnessed and appreciate reading your report.
Ignatio Varchausky is surely the great tango angel/producer of our age.
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It is most important how you walk when you enter the room; when you go to
your table.
People judge how you might dance from how you walk.
Be graceful, deliberate, unhurried. Head-up and shoulders back.
It is a good idea to walk to the music that is playing. If it is a fast
beat, go half-time.
While it is tempting to think one's own views are the only ones which
matter or should be countenanced, this is rather a trap.
After-all, our views surely change as we grow in
understanding/perception/experience.
How we think "today" might not be how we think "tomorrow" when time has
gone by and
music
and dance footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyKNPnMT0Bo
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> What do you think are the tango
> basics that should be learned,
> Keith? I'm not picking up anything about that at all
> from what you wrote
> above. A whole bunch of us have given our
> ideas, what are yours?
>
> Huck
Honestly, about 2 minutes after I
Folks make good points based on what they know, who they are, and how they
feel. At this moment.
We're definitely not all going to be the same at the same time.
Hearts in the right place always should count, no matter what.
(If I may say)?
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Walking, ochos, gyros. With the music.
So many people learn all the fancy stuff on top of that they they never
learn the real basics.
If the above three were all you knew and could do well, you could dance
all night with anybody in the world (except people who had be
>Just got this today in the email from a local (Argentinian by origin)
teacher:
>"A class to learn, review and polish the fundamental elements in Tango:
ochos, paradas, boleos, barridas, ganchos, amagues, giros, sacadas,
etc."
To me, this is all still teacher talk to make tango complicated so pe
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Niata Rego was Juan Carlos Copes' first partner.
A great lady who was content to be totally unknown.
She is mourned in her passing by a great many.
A sweet recent picture and some of the story is on ToTANGO.net.
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I invite you to make a cup of tea or coffee, sit back and listen to
Ignacio speak about his many projects including El Arranque and Escuela de
Tango and specifically the Tango Digital Archive Project and what lost
gems he is uncovering. It's in 3 parts.
>From his home in Buenos Aires, Ignacio says
So, I'm into tango for 20 years. I swear I'm starting to get it! ;-)
At least, I can't help but feeling things are being revealed. That's why
I'm always on my knees ... a lot going on that one such as me might never
get. Important to pay attention. I look up a lot to try to get it.
Chords
Over the last few years, I have been ruminating on these same thoughts and
perceptions.
Periodically, my concern has been quieted when I've had a conversation
about it with dancers in other places ... and they say they having been
feeling the same things.
Whew! It ain't just me.
I like it that e
>I don't blame them, I blame the teachers ...
The key point.
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This thread provokes me to say:
I read people I respect equally seemingly on one side or another of a
"divide." How can this be?
Well, fortunately, we all have our own relationships and/or opinions.
So we can see that there is no problem - other than semantics or
individual terms of reference, p
The long version of Beatriz's interesting portrait of the living legend -
with lyrics, translations (thanks Jake) and audio sample is now on
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Hello Friends;
Last night, I got to hug Tine Herreman because she is here in Montreal
working this
weekend. :-)
I hope I will see her for private time aside from last night when she
visited my milonga late.
Tonight and tomorrow I can go to where she will do her thing in different
milongas.
I
I am in hearty agreement with the sentiment Shahrukh expresses.
My take from the production side of things:
This vexatious over-doing of singers can come mostly from either the
performer doesn't have sensitive hearing - so they shout for that
technical reason - or because they just haven't enough
Need to record 5,000 tango, vals, milongas songs as a start toward making
Argentine tango music sound like it would if that bandoneon thingy had
stayed home in Germany and left us alone.
Dance experience not necessary, of course.
No need to have correct pitch, we can fix that in the mix.
TSPOER
AJ:
> Tango would have been tango even on kazoo.
Gasp
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Nina's post was interesting to read. But, exasperating.
I hope other women (and men) don't believe it has currency.
I, of course, can only speak for myself. But I believe most men who can
dance tango reading her post would want - like me - to run grovelling to
every woman partner in the Universe
AJ wrote:
> Germany is by far the most removed of the influences.
Of course one understands what Al meant and I do not wish to quibble.
However ...
Herr Band's little "improvement" on his accordion, which became the pillar
and soul of the tango when it arrived in Argentina, ought to be a crucia
I'm a big fan of Sergio's postings. Can't help it.
In the last, which included all those videos, one jumped-out at me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXU9nojcFQo
In my heart of hearts, I wish more demonstration tango was shown this way.
They are doing a "show" - but it's tango-tango. Doing the
I for one think Jack hit the nail smack on the head with his post.
What do they call it again when you stare at some words and they become,
through short contemplation, grotesque absurdities?
"What is tango" when asked by a tango dancer should get that person
banished to a milonga dj-ed by a pers
Yes, you may imagine me being slightly peeved when I see people doing
tango moves while trying to dance milonga.
I feel sorry for the women being pushed around to make something happen
that just isn't natural.
And I feel sorry for the men who just don't get it.
1-2/2-2
Is not at all the same as
It's true that, post-Piazzolla, a thinking has crept in that the music and
the dance are not the same thing.
This thinking and retro-view recitation does not make it so.
The dance and the music were integral. Always - until the 1950's.
The people who created it all didn't sit and listen to vals.
> Milonga pre-dated tango.
>
> The milonga we dance nowadays [2 beats to the bar, fastish ,as in Milonga
> sentimental] only goes back to the 30's. The pre-dating one was a slow
> dirge played by the payadores towards the end on the 19th Century and
> hardly ever danced to. Piazzolla revived it in
Jack wrote:
"After all, Milonga only became part of the 'Tango Trinity' in the 1930s."
Uh - no.
Milonga pre-dated tango.
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sense is that what I describe is happening all around the world. It
might be a bit subterranean; but people who really love tango (not mainly
for business) are always going to move in this direction.
Go for it, guys! Build a local social scene, not a teaching business. Lots
of people will be cheering you on.
Cheers,
Keith Elshaw
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I am sympathetic to lovely dancers who have talent and grace and skill.
I appreciate the tone of their comments.
I just wish they would add:
This is performance tango, or tango for a place where everybody is doing
nuevo and there is disregard for other dancers on the floor.
Please don't do this
A very cool guy called Peter Bengsten made it and allowed me to put it on
my site. Bottom of the page.
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You know ... our personalities make us do things how we do them.
Every person on Earth should be given room and feel free to be/express
themselves, of course.
There are many who will be slightly different in performance than they
would be on a crowded dance floor.
I guess I decided a long time a
My reaction is this was a nice video to share.
And darned if I'm not prompted by it to make a comment or two; this
perhaps in particular relation to the recent threads about commenting on
teachers, etc. as well.
My own way of helping people move forward for years (in social tango) has
been to he
The mail that is coming to me about Kely ...
I appreciate so much knowing anew how many fans she had around the world.
I want to be so careful ... in no way do I want to have anything I say
seem to be critical of anyone else. I am not.
PLEASE don't read the following as if it is.
But I would s
I just received this email from Bs. As.:
"Shahrukh made a mistake on her name and age when he posted to Tango-L.
Would you please correct it?
Kely Lamdan turned 69 on December 24, 2008."
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Of course whoever met Kely and Facundo over the years must have enjoyed
the two of them.
The personal charm and lovely way and ability to make people feel like
they could do it too has made a big mark because they travelled so much.
(I remember my times with them in much the same way I so fondly
John and Cheryl Lowry and friends in Brisbane, Australia began this
charity work 9 years ago. They raise money in the tango world to make life
better for homeless children in Buenos Aires.
To me, it's such a great idea: have a milonga once a year in your city
donating the proceeds to this cause an
What times we live in, eh?
Best to have seat-belts fastened.
I've only been around tango for 20 years, so I'm a newbie. But my studies
and sense tell me that more has been changing in the last 15 years than
had been happening during the previous 4 decades.
We had the resurgence of tango which f
So now, we have arrived at the place where one maintains one's
"credibility" on Tango-L and self-respect by ... never posting to Tango-L.
If no people show up, no one wants to go.
I am thankful that the gratuitous moronic postings have been screened-out
since my last cry for sanity.
I think a c
I'm sharing a great song that is neat to hear without all the noise and
scratches it has come down to us with.
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Sergio;
Por favor!
y gracias!!
:-)
Real tango is so beautiful
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Oh, dear.
Just received word that Osvaldo and Lorena have been robbed of their
documents. They've been on media in BA asking for their return (there was
no money in the bag), but to no avail.
They were to be in Miami in 2 days for the Festival. Now, that's
impossible. What a shame.
Roberto Reis
ll be there one
more time at least this year. It seems they are feeling it is important
for them to do this this year.
I sense they are right.
An opportunity to seriously consider.
Keith
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ht
Before Nuevo ever came around, some knowledge-challenged people decided
that was a good place to do their thing. If you don't know, that can seem
reasonable.
Of course, it's not that at all.
People in the ronda all-of-a-sudden found/find themselves being
blind-sided from bodies coming out of nowh
"Maybe my friends Fabian, Gustavo and Chicho and some others would like to
show some leadership to their blithe disciples"?
Explain about respectfully dancing in the ronda and keeping to your own
space and not bumping and kicking - and all those good things?
_
Well, we have a perceptible divide.
It's been looming and growing for 4 years, more-or-less.
Hopefully, people on both sides are quite sensitive to the reasons and
implications.
But - there is a Problem.
Divides are not good things. Division separates and dilutes. We are seeing
the sad effects
es any Ballroom.
Keith, HK
On Mon May 12 1:05 , Mario sent:
> What's a Vals digest without Tete and Sylvia? (Added 3 days ago)..I like the
> way that he travels thru space.
> The 'no hands' is useful in that it shows us the role of the hands in
> dancing the Vals
I just received an email circular from 'Escuela Argentina de Tango' which
includes information that
Eduardo Perez will start teaching Milonga Con Traspie classes in June.
Keith, HK
On Mon May 12 0:32 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
I never had any lessons with Eduardo. I don't t
Following on Mario's link to the blogspot ...
I hadn't mentioned in my post (but have included it on my website) that
the women who lead I was referring to have a lot of experience and are
really good dancers.
This is different from a woman who has been dancing a short while deciding
she would li
excellent job dancing as
lead in Ballroom. In fact, it's so popular that it's often a separate event
in competitions. In Ballroom, feelings don't get in the way :-).
Keith, HK
On Wed May 7 4:20 , Nina Pesochinsky sent:
>The man-woman thing in tango is pretty precious.
oman's role but never the other way around.
Can anyone provide a link to a YouTube video showing a woman dancing the
man's role as well as an intermediate/advanced man?
Keith, HK
On Sun May 4 23:11 , "Chris, UK" sent:
>
>I'm glad, because
single conflict.
I still have my Friday milonga and the leaders of 5 of the other 6 groups come
on a regular basis.
Keith, HK
On Wed Apr 30 18:18 , "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" sent:
>
>I've always thought that many of the issues that occur
>between tango groups regardin
Interesting thing happened today after I sent my post.
I then went to run my Sunday afternoon milonga.
A bunch of people from an east-coast American city (who I knew because I
have dj-ed there) showed up ...
A few men who like to follow and a woman who likes to lead.
The role-reversal thing is
Man though I am, I shall dare to offer another way of thinking about it all.
There is a very good reason why many women decide to give leading a go: so
they don't have to sit all night.
Typically, there are more good women dancers than men. Most of the women I
have seen, in many cities, giving le
It might have been useful if I had put the reminder in my post about
milonga that it in fact pre-dated what we know as tango. It is not a
"different" dance than tango - it is a parent of tango.
Teachers with great "wisdom" would be wise to know this before applying
for their certification, Mr. Flo
ve become a milonga
dancer whom others enjoy dancing it with.
To be a really good tango dancer, it seems one must have a beautiful vals
and a beautiful milonga in them as well. Then, you can dance tango.
All good tango dancers know it.
With kind regards,
Keith
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Floyd wrote:
"Although I'd leave out milonga. :-)It's only danced to burn off
excess energy. I personally rest during milongas.., so I don't have
to rest during the Tangos that follow. :-)"
Thank goodness Floyd never ceases to share his wisdom and insight. Where
would we all be without i
ust made this experiment up, so please
feel free with your corrections.
Keith, HK
On Tue Apr 29 2:23 , Alexis Cousein sent:
>If (or I should say when) the frame is really locked, it is impossible
>for you to do a weight change and for your partner to do none;
>by definition: a we
ause. I have no
trouble
leading the lady to step in front of me with her LF if I pause after my RF side
and
LF close.
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t without moving the torso.
As others have already explained, it's all about disassociation - separating
the upper and lower parts of the body. Alternatively, you can change weight
with one foot behind the other and this will also result in no sidew
Just between us list members, this current credibility of posters
insistently stuffing our mail day after day with air-head silliness made
me wonder what the deal was with another person who was recently
apparently banned from the list. Because one can look at him dancing on
videos, too.
Seeing so
No one has said anything, but it might seem (at least I could understand
if it it was thought) that I was pretty strident in my post earlier today.
Since I pushed "send" on that one, I have been thinking it would have been
good if I had at least provided a tiny bit of background at least in
parent
Floyd wrote:
> 'weight changes'... are not something that can be relied upon for a
lead. Weight changes by the
> follower must be led so the follower knows for sure.
Very clear.
Yikes!
I'm racking my memory, trying to recall if I've ever heard such nonsense.
Or so much of it from one source as
Thanks for that clip pointer, Richard. Neat to see.
Mores was so brilliant. But how odd is it that his orchestrations kept the
bandoneon way in the background - even though he plays it?
Keith
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the man prevents
that in some way, eg. 'suspension'.
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All those intrigued with Floyd's curious teachings about how to dance
tango can see his demonstration of exactly what he means by viewing the
video he has on his website.
You will see it is quite possible to have your feet, your knees, your
hips, your chest, your arms, your shoulders and your head
f legs'. Although we should step forward, side or
back
with a straight leg, when we transfer weight, the knee should flex slightly -
this
is a soft knee. Well, that's what I think, others might have a different
opinion.
Keith, HK
On Tue Apr 22 9:46 , Mario sent:
>I like this dance.
after all. So I also agree with Floyd - that is off-topic.
Keith, HK
On Mon Apr 21 9:02 , Nina Pesochinsky sent:
>Floyd,
>
>The smoke in BsAs IS TANGO RELATED! Those of us with a profound
>connection to Argentina have close f
7;t going to go away, but if the dancers have
already grasped the basic techiques of traditional Tango, hopefully, their
Nuevo won't look too bad :-).
Keith, HK
On Thu Apr 17 11:53 , Ira Goldstein sent:
> I was at Practica X one night when Dana Frigoli & Pablo Villarazza
>(the f
Mario,
I think you've got this backwards. I believe these are supposed to be
Tango dancers so it's not modern dance incorporating a few Tango poses,
it's actually Tango incorporating a lot of modern dance moves. The question
is, when does it stop being one and become the other. On that I have n
e use of the cabaceo.
Keith, HK
On Wed Apr 16 15:41 , "Skip Augustine" sent:
I do have a question. My observations are
>those of a male leader, and are unavoidably biased by that fact. What's
>puzzling me is why do the women put up with this behavior? Do they like the
>attent
Last time I checked, quite a while ago, this had been taken off YouTube
but I just came across it again. This is my favourite.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Cy6jHnhf4&feature=related
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this list will have to say about that :-).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag5z84IzF-I&feature=related
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On Mon Apr 14 9:10 , Mario sent:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch\?v=GBmaWzYN-Pc
>
> This video shows Flaco Danny Garcia dancing to a slow tango.
> We know that h
Isn't this about as far OFF-TOPIC as we can possibly get?
On Sun Apr 13 2:51 , "Alex" sent:
>A side note to the side show...
>
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then something is definitely missing. IMHO
elegance
is an integral part of good Tango, including purely social Tango. But I know
many
people on this list don't agree. Fair enough.
Keith, HK
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Keith,
I have absolutely no doubt that Tomas Howlin is a 'fine' dancer and if he ever
visits HK,
I will certainly be in line to take lessons. I also have no doubt that that he
can dance
circles around all the regular contributors to this List. But I was talking
about students
bein
Keith E. from Montreal here ...
It's easy to see comments come from people with fervently held views. As
they will be.
I do think people learn over time, as they get a deeper understanding of
everything, that the views they express in their enthusiasm and early
critical stages ar
Trini,
EXACTLY!
Many students are satisfied just learning how to dance. But
they're not prepared to go the extra mile to learn how to dance
in a beautiful way. Unless they're in some way inspired - and that
can only come from great dancers.
Keith, HK
On Thu Apr 10 4:27 , &qu
earn more and to try to improve?
That's really all I'm saying. Javier Rodriguez taught in Hong
Kong a few months ago and was a huge inspiration for
many students. And his influence lasted long after the
classes were over and went far beyond what he actually
taught in those classes.
Kei
Hi guys;
Forgive me for being self-conscious; seeing people talking about "Keith"
making harsh comments, I just wish to make sure you know it's not "This"
Keith. You know what I mean.
BTW, I was just caught in the domain renewal
companies-take-their-time-so-you-don
rations say to me is ... "learn from us and achieve a high level of
mediocrity".
Just my opinion.
Keith, HK
On Wed Apr 9 6:21 , m i l e s sent:
>Hi,
>
>Here's the end result of *MY* Atlanta Tango Festival experience...
>
>There's something in there for ever
This reads like an advert. Shouldn't it be on Tango-A or, better yet, on a
flyer.
On Sun Apr 6 23:18 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
>People in Cleveland shared a great experience this weekend when Liz Haight
>and Masami Hirokawa, from Santa Fe, NM came to Cleveland.
ut it seems to be more for the style, feeling
and technique. The guys go for the figures.
Keith, HK
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stand up for themselves
and say that, or its variation - just lead me and we'll be fine. Then the guys
who can't lead would be forced off the floor.
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t you can't
see what the man does to make the lady's feet do what they do.
As for your swearing at a lady ... well, I guess we had different upbringings.
Keith, HK
On Fri Apr 4 3:29 , Mario sent:
>Thanks Astrid, it seems like you love to start fights and make people look
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not auto-cross. If the lady crosses by default, it takes away any other option
from the man. Why should
that be?
Sorry Sergio but, IMHO, I now think that what you say about the cross by
default is not the best way to
dance the cross. IMO, it should always be led by the man and that's the
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