Well, yes, the man should know where the woman's feet. Many instructors
never add that the woman can (and I would say should) learn how to make
it easier for the man to feel where her feet are. And, obviously, then, the
women aren't taught how to clearly convey where their feet are.
This
My posts haven't been getting through, so this a final test before I maybe
unsubscribe.
My experience has been that ballroom teachers emphasize doing the pattern
as taught. If you deviate you are scolded, either by the teacher or your
partner for not dancing what is being taught.
Alt
I found these two pages a while back, and they do shed light on this topic.
http://www.oandp.org/jpo/library/1997_01_010.asp
http://www.oandp.org/jpo/library/1997_02_049.asp
There is a huge amount of information here. One of the more interesting things
is the detailed descriptions of how we
Well, it looks like we disagree.
It is very misleading to tell people to "just walk". Especially if you tell
them
they should be stepping "toe first".
And, I would like to add that until you get really good at walking without
picking up your toes, you will look ... oh, how can I put it wi
If the cross is done automatically, without input from the man, other than being
"on her left" for two steps, the woman completes a series of movements which
we refer to as "crossing". This precludes the introduction of variations
which can
occur during this "simple" move that actually consi
Recently I looked at "Tango Bar" again. I seemed to remember that there was an
awful lot of
the moves that are usually thought of as nuevo in there. There is in
particular one scene in
which dancers dance to "La Comparsita" in a very elegant setting. They appear
to be in very
close prox
"Why cant we simply say... I like dancing tango with a close embrace. "?
"Apildao" is a type of "close embrace" that relies on creating a shared axis,
as
opposed to "close embrace" where the partners remain more or less "on their
own axis".
It isn't just dancing close to your partner.
It
When men and women have stopped being men and women and became amoebas ready to
dance to anything in any role, why try to save anything? You can't play a game
where the players don't agree on the rules.
And now I will go and swallow some anti-sarcasm drugs.
Nina
While I appreciate Nina's sarc
"My point is that when women have the bodywork and technique, then they can be
lead into a colgada or volcada without having been taught the step. However,
getting to that point requires a lot of work"
I am / was very sure that this was true regarding cose embrace / apilado.
Now, as I watch pe
You could start here...
I haven't read the entire article for a while. Still...
http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A31481
a review/inerview with the author of Tango: An Art History of Love (Pantheon,
2005)
--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Dubravko Kakarigi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From
I have come to believe that, since the term "close embrace" can mean
several different things, it leads to a lot of confusion.
The more erect you and your partner are when you are in your embrace,
the closer your feet are together. The more forward "lean" there is to
both of your postures,
So... when do you start counting?
PSI thought it only took 6 weeks. (tongue in cheek comment)
"Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If more men were as good listeners as they say they should
be, then this wouldn't even be an issue! And tango
conversations would truly
I came across this site and thought some of you may be interested in
this example of the way that cultures and musicians influence each other.
http://www.englishmusicsalvajes.blogspot.com/
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You may remember that there was quite a scandal in "Ice Dancing"
at the Olympics not too long ago. I don't remember the details, but
I think "judging" an artistic evdeavor, and assigning points is rather
absurd.
The only way to do this objectively is to establish standards that will
be u
I don't know how long it will be available, but there is a nice report on the
AT World
Championship event being held in BA on this page.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
This is the exact url
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_695/newsid_6952500/6952537.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1
So this thread is now about "close embrace"?
Dear Tango Experts:
"Close Embrace" takes in a lot of territory.
Trini wrote "And I'm grateful that Christopher & Caroline of San
Francisco and Robert Hauk brought her to the States to teach."
Robert Hauk is joined by (hopefully again) Steven
Please be sure to shed tears for all of the great white musicians in the first
half of
the 20th century who sold their recording rights for pennies and died in
poverty while the promoters built lucrative music industry businesses off their
backs.
Carol Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Unf
Overheard recently at a Portland Tango event:
MAN: Would you like to do a few of these milongas?
WOMAN: Not as a woman.
MAN: OK. Thanks anyhow.
Igor Polk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A woman.
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How about when you don't want to follow, but want to lead?
reference my post in the "Who's leading" thread
Nina Pesochinsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Astrid,
And when do you want to dance, but "not as a woman" (since this is
what the discussion is about)?
Nina
At 04:14 AM 9/21/20
For refuge from politcal correctness, I don't think anything beats Country
Western.
While I see, here in Portland, men practicing with men, and women leading men
at
practicas, (and even, rarely, at milongas) I have only seen two men dancing
together
once or twice at a Country Western place
First, I want to thank Igor for bringing this up, more or less bolding going
where
no man has gone before (I exaggerate, of course.) I came close to commenting
on a light is characteristic of better dancers post a short time ago.
"Resistance" creates a better connection between two bodie
Maybe you can use this, Igor.
Excerpt from a PhD thesis...
Understanding the Haptic Interactions of Working Together
Kyle Brandon Reed
This is about haptic communication "communicating by touch". Kyle is a
Lindy Hop dancer, too.
There is much, much, more in this article. I fou
"if you (the leader) make a sharp step back, the connection would break,
the connection would break, provided you do not hold her"
Thus, we hope that the women learn to feel us moving backwards, and know
that we expect them to step forward as vigorously as we step forward.
Krasimir Sto
If you feel that your connection with your partner is being broken by this
SHARP backward movement, it would be wise to abort the movement.
If your partner hasn't been giving you good forward energy, and hasn't
already followed your backward movement previously, it would be
wise to not eve
I love the "lets dance without any arms" challenge.
Sometimes, when someone has "offered a comment" on my lead,
I will ask them if they would like to try dancing without the arms.
Often, they decline. (This is (of course) at a practica.)
Krassimire Stoyanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
Perhaps you are familiar with the Tango and Chaos site by Rick McGarrey. This
text is from
the site http://www.tangoandchaos.org/chapt_2secrets/7natural.htm
"First, the dancers in the following pictures stay straight and centered so
that the muscles
in the back, legs, ankles, and feet can
"Please, help to find ways to uncover masculine part of tango to
potential great leaders !"
This is acually an interesting subject which, to me, requires a review of
the changing roles of men and women in the U.S. in general (and perhaps
other English speaking countries).
I think these
Carol:
If you feel that you can't "go over and ask", by all means be sure to
look at the man when he is available. If and when he returns your gaze
you can motion towards the dance floor, or raise your eyebrows in
question (Are we going to dance now?)
Does this sound like a certain non
More like all of the folks we keep hearing about in Buenos Aires.
It takes lots of time to get to know people well enough that you
know they want to dance with you from across the room. Or
without even looking at them.
As a guess, most of the US tango communities are no where
near as ol
"So if you guys have all these wonderful leaders, why
aren't the women picking up on this? Why aren't they becoming more
skilled? Do the guys not want to dance with women who they think do
not meet their criteria to dance with them? Are the guys not as good as
they think they are? "
L
girl can walk and
do Ochos and Giros, just what are you leading that they don't know what to
do? Especially after a couple of attempts.
Keith, HK
On Sat Oct 13 5:28 , steve pastor sent:
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> "Why aren't they becoming more skilled?" Another answer to this is that
> man
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Well, since some one else opened the can o' worms
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7050743.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7046780.stm
Clif Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What is the feeling about the first lady becoming the new First Person?
A few nights ago I was sucked into watching an episode of "Cold Case" on
network TV. It began with a woman disappearing as people panicked while
listening to the Orson Welles radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds".
(Apparently nobody was listening when Welles said, repeatedly, it was a
br
Alex:
"When her right foot is crossed behind, it makes a forward or side step
awkward if not impossible, and the only option is a back step (for her)."
I'd have to disagree with this statement, but it depends to a large amount
on how well your partner, and you dance. Her right leg, whic
"Sometimes you are inspired to use more double-time steps,
sometimes more pauses, sometimes more sharp changes in
direction, sometimes more pivoting moves. Kind of vague, isn't it?"
Time for the dissenting opinion.
There are reasons why you are inspired to move differently at
The reasons that men lead and women follow are not merely psychological.
There are actual physical reasons. I could quote from "The Physics of Dance",
but I'm just firing this off.
At most levels lead and follow probably work best. It is only at what I would
have to label as the "higher" l
Shall we blame Max Roach for this?
I don't play, but I believe he was quite revolutionary in his approach
to drumming.
But, jazz parted ways with dancers when bebop became popular.
So
What I find interesting, too, is how, what to us, are strange time
signatures such as 5/4,11/
You might want to take a look at some of the pages at this site:
http://www.tangoandchaos.org/chapt_2secrets/8strongstep.htm
There are several pages regarding the same subject, so page back and forth.
No cat-like strain required.
Tom English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It' hard t
Very interesting post, Janis.
Tell, me, in the valses that you have, is there a predominant pattern
something
akin to two eight notes followed by quarter note? (or, if you will, a quarter
note
followed by two eighth notes?
The answer to this question is, I hope obvious, but I have my rea
Well, in the US, janitors and truck drivers often wear their large
key rings on their belts.
And a high class woman don't want no maintenance man.
"Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- Keith wrote:
> One final question to the many expert followers out
> there. I
On Thursday the 13th Mario requested tips on
"Close embrace in close quarters".
I have yet to see a sinlge response.
Meanwhile, there have been more than 20 responses in the
"Boleo & Contra-boleo" thread.
I guess this speaks volumes about the interests of our
on line community.
Tan
being nice to a newbie', so I didn't bother.
Keith, HK
On Tue Dec 18 1:18 , steve pastor sent:
>On Thursday the 13th Mario requested tips on
> "Close embrace in close quarters".
> I have yet to see a sinlge response.
> Meanwhile, there have been more than 20 re
"And they cringe when they see the guys on 'Dancing With The Stars' wearing
spandex and gliding around...no matter how masterful and powerful the
dancing might be."
And rightly so. But maybe not for the same reasons as I do, which is an almost
complete lack of musicality, and absolutely a
I went through a bout of this a few years ago.I'm kind of curious as to
what you've spent $4,000 on, because I was able to get over it relatively
inexpensively.
Care to elaborate about what you've done so far?
Tango For Her <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually, I stretch A LOT. I m
I healed completely, thank goodness, because, I think, I took what
I read and was told, to heart.
Having had both a badly strained hamstring, and tendonitiis on the outside
of my foot (brevis), I had perhaps learned my lesson.
I am convinced that for the most part, our bodies are reall
WHAT IS DANCE FLOOR ETIQUETTE?
The first goal is to avoid injury - to the follower, to other dancers,
and to walls and furniture and potted plants.
It is customary not to teach or talk at all on the dance floor during
a dance. If you want to talk or teach or discuss a step, it is polite
Broom's aren't the only ideal partners.
Here's another idea, compliments of Lieber &
Stoller:
The sad sack was a sittin on a block of stone
Way over in the corner weepin all alone.
The warden said, hey, buddy, dont you be no square.
If you cant find a partner use a wooden chair.
Tango, ev
Jay mentioned the ocho cortado. Take a look at the photos
here
http://www.tangoandchaos.org/chapt_3search/10ascent.htm
to see just how little room you have to use.
P.S. I love this site. Tons of good stuff.
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Tango For Her wote:
"I think that we all find that:
(1) those who agree don't write back to the group
(2) those who don't agree do write to the group. "
There is at least one additional possibility...
Some of us disagree but realize that there is no
possiblity of changing your min
First a note to the the list... I have communicated with
Tango for Her regarding the questions and concerns about
my previous post.
Now...
To me the discussion about visual clues is one of do you
encourage people to use them, or not, and how much.
More on propiorerception, th
No apologies required!
Try as I might, I know I'll never be perfect.
I think it would be worse to NOT point out an error!
Thanks
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Here's a previous post on Finnish Tango -
http://pythia.uoregon.edu/~llynch/Tango-L/2005/msg03194.html
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"I mean how come there are not Milonga clubs that predominantly
play Milongas rather then normal break from the Tangos?"
Probably for the same reason that there aren't "Two Step Clubs" ,
but there are country western dance places where you get not only
two step, but waltz, Cowboy Cha
regarding Charlesâ post...
"as Jayrabe pointed out, there are no pauses"
Actually, what Jay wrote was, "you don't put many pauses in milonga".
Without specific examples, I am certain that there are pauses in milongas.
They are not long pauses, but they happen fairly frequently between
"You'd cross her at the half-beat instead of giving her a full beat to cross.
If
getting her to a cross from an ocho cortado is kosher, why wouldn't walking
to (or through) the cross also be okay?"
It works for me.
And...
If I can do three quick steps while leading two for my partner, why
Jay wrote,
"Was it Janis or Steven who wrote:
> There are two rhythms in milonga:
>
> 1) double rhythm -- two steps in two beats of music; and
> 2) triple rhythm (called traspie) -- three steps in two beats of music (like
> a triple step in swing).
I'm not a trained musician, except for piano
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