[Tango-L] Get Real!

2008-03-05 Thread Sergio Vandekier
Differences between Ballroom Tango and Argentine Tango. I will mention just a few of them: 1- Ballroom Tango was derived from Argentine Tango. A.T. is different from all the ballroom dances in many aspects. A.T. was modified so that it would comply with the general rules of Ballroom Dan

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2008-03-05 Thread Tango For Her
Okay. Take it for what it is. You go to a ballroom studio and try to lead a ballroom tango "follower" in Argentine tango and they are off to the races, confused as all hell as to why you aren't moving! You go to a milonga, and the follower follows you. Leave it at that and this entire discussio

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2008-03-05 Thread thorn-inside
>> Another recent post: "As far as I'm concerned, this list should be >> considered as relating to *improvisational* dancing, using Tango style >> of lead." >> What is a Tango style of lead exactly? I don't know if this is correct, but have the impression that the ballroom versions of Tango do no

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2008-03-05 Thread Anton Stanley
"Leave it at that and this entire discussion can stop" Thanks for setting me straight tangopeer, but intention is also practiced by good ballroom dancers. You want the follower to step to the left, indicate then step. The ballroom follower will step. However in my posts I didn't have Tango specifi

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2008-03-05 Thread Jay Rabe
> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:46:51 +1000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ... IMHO talk about steps, leads intentions etc doesn't even come > close to explaining what makes Tango different to other genres. > > Anton --- OK Anton, so what DOES explain the difference for you?

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2008-03-05 Thread Jake Spatz
Anton, While I basically agree with Floyd (and with "TFH"), let me relate my experience regarding a few points of yours in particular: Anton Stanley wrote: > Having been taught and danced the various Ballroom styles, I challenge the > often put statement that > Ballroom is not interpretive. (Th

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2008-03-06 Thread Keith
As usual, most of what Sergio says is true, although I think he greatly underestimates Ballroom dancing "Once you learn about ten patterns for a dance you are considered to know that dance." I don't think so Sergio, that wouldn't even get you to the the first level - Bronze Medal stage.

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2008-03-06 Thread Tango For Her
Jake's long response, IMO, is the best of the long responses. Allow me to give my short response that, to me, sums it up: Argentine tango, at least the way I dance, is about the feeling. As Jake said, the patterns, etc, come after that. You could more closely relate A.T. to waltz than ballroom

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2008-03-06 Thread Alexis Cousein
Keith wrote: > that wouldn't even get you to the the first level - Bronze Medal > stage. > Painful memories here (of being scolded for dancing a silver medal step while not having a bronze medal. The nerve!) -- Alexis Cousein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems

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2008-03-06 Thread David Hodgson
, March 06, 2008 1:04 AM To: Tango-L List Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Get Real! As usual, most of what Sergio says is true, although I think he greatly underestimates Ballroom dancing "Once you learn about ten patterns for a dance you are considered to know that dance." I don't

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2008-03-06 Thread Anton Stanley
Jake, Your quite right. I did unintentionally use interpretive instead of improvisational. On an esoteric level I also agree with your claim that ballroom is not improvisational. But I believe it's really splitting hairs. Like trying to ascertain whether every step of a mollinette is lead or is a

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2008-03-06 Thread Anton Stanley
Well Jay, we seem to have travelled the complete circle and arrived back at the beginning. I entered the arena on subjects like what is tango, old versus new etc. Anyone that has been following the posts will know the various topics that have proposed the answer to what is Tango. I have tried to gi

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2008-03-06 Thread Jay Rabe
They'd still have the embrace and the connection and the synchronicity of their steps, so would you still decline to call their dance AT? J TangoMoments.com > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:07:02 +1000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Tango-L@mit.edu > Subject: R

[Tango-L] Get real - If it looks total different and and sounds totally different- it is totally different!

2008-03-05 Thread Anton Stanley
A recent post: "American ballroom was created by Irene and Vern Castle as they returned by boat from Europe where they 'discovered' Argentine Tango... They apparently saw only the surface of the dance.., but being ballroom people, that's all they needed... They used it as the basis for their o