[Tango-L] Milonga, etc.

2009-08-01 Thread Keith Elshaw
It's true that, post-Piazzolla, a thinking has crept in that the music and the dance are not the same thing. This thinking and retro-view recitation does not make it so. The dance and the music were integral. Always - until the 1950's. The people who created it all didn't sit and listen to vals.

[Tango-L] Milonga, etc.

2009-08-01 Thread Keith Elshaw
Yes, you may imagine me being slightly peeved when I see people doing tango moves while trying to dance milonga. I feel sorry for the women being pushed around to make something happen that just isn't natural. And I feel sorry for the men who just don't get it. 1-2/2-2 Is not at all the same as

[Tango-L] Milonga, etc.

2009-08-02 Thread David
riginal Message- From: "Keith Elshaw" Subject: [Tango-L] Milonga, etc. To: tango-l@mit.edu Yes, you may imagine me being slightly peeved when I see people doing tango moves while trying to dance milonga. I feel sorry for the women being pushed around to make something happen that j

[Tango-L] Milonga, etc.

2009-08-03 Thread Ming Mar
Keith writes: >Remember: there are no singers/lyrics until 40 or 50 years >later (from the beginnings). The earliest known tango is "Dame la lata" by Juan Perez. It was written around 1880 or in the 1880's. It had lyrics. According to your assertion, tango music existed in 1840 and nobody

Re: [Tango-L] Milonga, etc.

2009-08-02 Thread Steve Littler
Dear Keith, Can you explain that 1-2/2-2 or make an audio and post it? Many thanks! Steve Keith Elshaw wrote: > Yes, you may imagine me being slightly peeved when I see people doing > tango moves while trying to dance milonga. > > I feel sorry for the women being pushed around to make something

Re: [Tango-L] Milonga, etc.

2009-08-02 Thread Jack Dylan
> From: Keith Elshaw > > They didn't sit and listen to milonga. They danced it. > > They danced their little asses off. Which is why we have a form. > > > It's laughable to say that milonga for dancing only came to the fore in > the 1930's. > Sebastián Piana doesn't seem to agree.   http://

Re: [Tango-L] Milonga, etc.

2009-08-02 Thread Myk Dowling
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 03:07 -0400, Steve Littler wrote: > Dear Keith, > > Can you explain that 1-2/2-2 or make an audio and post it? Joaquin Amenabar, when explaining the difference between Tango and Milonga, throws away the 4/4 - 2/4 difference, because it really isn't relevant. Milonga music h

Re: [Tango-L] Milonga, etc. + an introduction

2009-08-02 Thread Laura V
According to this article by Christine Denniston, what happened to milonga in the 1930s was a stylistic break from the musical form of Milonga Surena or Campera: "...the folk song Milonga, has a neutral, almost tuneless tune, with the lyrics chanted over a strict structure of rhythm and chords