Re: [Tango-L] More Nuevo bashing. Why??

2008-05-13 Thread Alexis Cousein
Martin Waxman wrote: > At 03:44 PM 5/12/2008, David Thorn wrote: >> I'm clueless! > > It's simple. No, it's not, unless you're desperate to bin a continuum of dance expressions in two bins just for the sake of polarisation (and "us" versus "them" games), and somehow ascribe virtues to one side o

Re: [Tango-L] More Nuevo bashing. Why??

2008-05-12 Thread Chris, UK
> nuevo tango is merely a "means of analysis that enables us to identify > the movements and combinations of movements that are common in > traditional tango, and to re-use them in ways that are not common in > traditional tango." I wonder if the nuevo scientists stopped to think why those ways ar

Re: [Tango-L] More Nuevo bashing. Why??

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Stermitz
I think there are two or more definitions of nuevo tango. (1) I learned from Gustavo, Fabian and Chicho back in the last century, and as far as I understand, they taught Argentine Tango. They developed a method for analyzing, learning and training in Argentine Tango. They tried steps on both

Re: [Tango-L] More Nuevo Bashing - why?

2008-05-12 Thread Stephen . P . Brown
Something to chew on: As it was originally conceived nuevo tango was largely a pedagogic approach to tango that emphasized a structural analysis of the dance in which previously unexplored combinations of steps and new figures can be found. Some of those exploring those possibilities gradually

[Tango-L] More Nuevo Bashing - why?

2008-05-12 Thread Mario
The first time I saw Tango ( social dance) it was by a singular couple on a dance floor built into their second floor...I was floored...first it was the music and then it was the embrace of the couple dancing..pure beauty to me..a hope. The second time I saw Tango (social) it was at a practi

Re: [Tango-L] More Nuevo Bashing - why?

2008-05-12 Thread Martin Waxman
At 05:06 PM 5/12/2008, David Thorn wrote: >Keith Elshaw wrote: >"Explain about respectfully dancing in the ronda and keeping to your own >space and not bumping and kicking - and all those good things?" >... And when they do go a little crazy, the good nuevo dancers that >I have seen appear to do

Re: [Tango-L] More Nuevo Bashing - why?

2008-05-12 Thread Nina Pesochinsky
Sounds like different people call different things "Tango Nuevo". It might be useful for the benefit of this discussion to hear from those who have contributed so far as what they actually consider to be 'tango nuevo", how they would describe it, and possibly name some dancers, preferably

Re: [Tango-L] More Nuevo Bashing - why?

2008-05-12 Thread David Thorn
Keith Elshaw wrote: "Explain about respectfully dancing in the ronda and keeping to your own space and not bumping and kicking - and all those good things?" Although I would not attempt it my self, I have observed excellent and considerate nuevo dancers execute volcadas in no more space than I

Re: [Tango-L] More Nuevo bashing. Why??

2008-05-12 Thread Dubravko Kakarigi
: Mario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: tango-l@mit.edu Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:54:39 PM Subject: [Tango-L] More Nuevo bashing. Why?? Hi David, you're right it is unseemly and unkind. I have to confess that I have a really strong negative feeling towards all that is Nuevo. I too am a clo

[Tango-L] More Nuevo bashing. Why??

2008-05-12 Thread Keith Elshaw
Well, we have a perceptible divide. It's been looming and growing for 4 years, more-or-less. Hopefully, people on both sides are quite sensitive to the reasons and implications. But - there is a Problem. Divides are not good things. Division separates and dilutes. We are seeing the sad effects

Re: [Tango-L] More Nuevo bashing. Why??

2008-05-12 Thread Martin Waxman
At 03:44 PM 5/12/2008, David Thorn wrote: > I'm clueless! It's simple. It's not bashing. It's realizing and expressing the difference. Argentine Tango and Nuevo Tango are different dances. My preference, like yours, is close embrace Argentine Tango, danced to traditional Tango music. I just don'

[Tango-L] More Nuevo bashing. Why??

2008-05-12 Thread Mario
Hi David, you're right it is unseemly and unkind. I have to confess that I have a really strong negative feeling towards all that is Nuevo. I too am a close embrace dancer and if Nuevo takes over the Milongas ..I quit dancing. its as simple as that ...I would just as soon cha cha or salsa

[Tango-L] More Nuevo bashing. Why??

2008-05-12 Thread David Thorn
Mario wrote: >>hey Martin,, where did I say that I liked it?? I can't stand the critter... >>I'm just hoping that it drops the name 'Tango' altogether... >>I think it will someday I understand that nuevo tango is merely a "means of analysis that enables us to identify the movements and combinati