Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder wrote: > "Don't poke me at all", for most of them, means "do not ever release > software that contains bugs that they will personally experience". For > another subset, it means never making any UI changes. It's a thoroughtly > unr

Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
"Don't poke me at all", for most of them, means "do not ever release software that contains bugs that they will personally experience". For another subset, it means never making any UI changes. It's a thoroughtly unrealistic position, but those are their real opinions. If you want to reduce "mis

Re: [teampractices] Volunteer contributors (WAS: teampractices Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2)

2014-03-04 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 03/03/2014 10:36 PM, Benjamin Sternthal wrote: Is this something contributors could be involved with in some aspect/capacity (I am interested) or do you think this would be staff only? You're certainly very welcome to participate in teampractices. Exactly how the community will work with th

Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 03/04/2014 09:19 PM, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder wrote: They're saying, "Stop poking me with a stick twice a week". Agile proponents are saying, "Well, the only alternative is that we stab you with a big knife twice a year". They are very loudly in favor of "don't poke me at all". If

Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 03/03/2014 08:51 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > So is the answer advisors, or just hiring engineers for the teams that need them with a focus in the JDs and interview processes on people with scrum experience willing to take up being a scrum master as a primary duty? The latter (hiring a combinat

Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
Matt, I basically agree with you. The problem is that hundreds of our "customers" do not. Erik said the other day, "2) We do have a higher tolerance for breaking things". Do you know who "we" is in that sentence? Hint: It's not our "customers". A noisy segment of our customers either don't be

Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Matthew Flaschen
Forgot to reply all. Matt Flaschen On 03/03/2014 11:00 PM, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder wrote: (2) Did you all know that a significant proportion of our user community is unhappy with the way that Agile affects them? "Release early, release often" from the user's perspective means "have h

Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 03/03/2014 11:00 PM, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder wrote: (2) Did you all know that a significant proportion of our user community is unhappy with the way that Agile affects them? "Release early, release often" from the user's perspective means "have horribly and/or newly busted stuff scr

Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Arthur Richards wrote: > Personally, I believe deeply, with great conviction, that we are in a > *much* better place as a result of all of this than when I started at the > WMF nearly 4 years ago. I think we have a long way to go, and indeed will > have eternal room

Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Arthur Richards
PS Whoever comes up with a cogent tl;dr version of my most recent email before I get around to it, I'll buy you dinner next time I see you. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Arthur Richards wrote: > Thank you everyone for your feedback - on the list, on the talk page, and > personally. There is *a

Re: [teampractices] [Engineering] Feedback requested on proposal for creation of Agile Specialist Group

2014-03-04 Thread Arthur Richards
Thank you everyone for your feedback - on the list, on the talk page, and personally. There is *a lot* here, so I am going to try and respond to as much of it as I can in one fell swoop. If you read all the way to the end, I'll owe you a beer (or equivalent). Note that I am going to use the word '

[teampractices] Project management tools review: Help shorten the list of candidates

2014-03-04 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi all, Thanks again for providing so much input during the consultation period ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Project_management_tools/Review ). It's been extremely useful to understand your respective needs and workflows. We've summarized all this input into consolidated requirements. Th