Re: config(5) break down

2010-03-16 Thread Martin Husemann
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 05:26:20AM +, David Holland wrote: After a fashion. Check how our LOCKDEBUG works. :-/ You mean crawls? Martin

Re: config(5) break down

2010-03-16 Thread Andrew Doran
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 06:22:14AM +0100, Wojciech A. Koszek wrote: You mean that you have a solution for: struct mystruct { #ifdef DEBUG_MYSTRUCT int line; char*file; char*func; void*another_pointer;

Re: config(5) break down

2010-03-16 Thread Andrew Doran
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 06:42:29AM +0100, Wojciech A. Koszek wrote: coming from the same build and with the same set of critical options. Otherwise, if the struct mutex changes its size due to #define LOCK_DEBUGGING in the kernel, you'll going to get a page fault from the module's code with

Re: config(5) break down

2010-03-16 Thread Johnny Billquist
Julio Merino wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Johnny Billquist b...@softjar.se wrote: Julio Merino wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Masao Uebayashi uebay...@gmail.com wrote: Let me clarify: - NetBSD is used for many purposes. - The official binary should choose the sane

NetBSD binary [was Re: config(5) break down]

2010-03-16 Thread Martin S. Weber
could you please use subject lines that somewhat reflect the content of the discussion please? I was surprised to find a discussion like this under that subject, or maybe you want to sneak it through? :) On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:39:07AM +0100, Johnny Billquist wrote: Julio Merino wrote: (...)

Re: DTrace FBT provider heads-up

2010-03-16 Thread Darren Reed
Darran Hunt wrote: Hi all, I've committed the Function Boundary Trace provider to NetBSD current. This DTrace provider automatically instruments every function in the kernel with an entry and exit probe. The probes have true zero-probe effect (i.e. they don't affect the system when

Re: NetBSD binary [was Re: config(5) break down]

2010-03-16 Thread Eduardo Horvath
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010, Martin S. Weber wrote: Well, if you tell them, run this script and reboot to configure your system for your needs, then most users would sign that. And that's all our (cross-)building is. Run a script. Now if the source is not properly maintained because someone keeps

Re: config(5) break down

2010-03-16 Thread Zafer Aydoğan
2010/3/16 Julio Merino j...@netbsd.org: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Masao Uebayashi uebay...@gmail.com wrote: Let me clarify: - NetBSD is used for many purposes. - The official binary should choose the sane default  - FFS_EI enabled by default  - XIP would be disabled by default -

Re: NetBSD binary [was Re: config(5) break down]

2010-03-16 Thread der Mouse
Let's instead ask us who, and why, some people do drift over to NetBSD? I would say that a large portion of those are people who for some reason or other have gotten tired of the magical modules, autoconfiguration, and magic tools that manage the system for you, and who wants to have better

Re: MI overrides of bus_dma(9), bus_space(9), pci(9)

2010-03-16 Thread Matt Thomas
On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:41 PM, David Young wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:58:30PM -0800, Matt Thomas wrote: On Mar 11, 2010, at 12:31 PM, David Young wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:20:41PM -0800, Matt Thomas wrote: On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:40 AM, David Young wrote: Resource

Re: config(5) break down

2010-03-16 Thread Greg A. Woods
At Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:22:42 +, Andrew Doran a...@netbsd.org wrote: Subject: Re: config(5) break down Correctamundo. 95% of downloads in the week following the release of 5.0 were for x86. It doesn't say much about embedded but does tell us that a very large segment of the user

Re: config(5) break down

2010-03-16 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 03:18:10PM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote: Please do not even think about using downloads as a measure of which ports are used and how much they are used! That's a completely invalid measurement of how NetBSD might be used. No kidding. We'll ship thousands of units of

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2010-03-16 Thread Alan Barrett
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Aleksej Saushev wrote: While here, can anyone enlighten us how one boots NetBSD so that it looks for modules in non-default directory? You can't, and the people who want NetBSD to move to modular kernels don't seem to care. Until this problem is fixed, I will try to avoid

Re: config(5) break down

2010-03-16 Thread David Holland
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 06:50:29PM +0100, Zafer Aydo?an wrote: I'm wholeheartedly behind Julio's statement. Users should never have to rebuild anything. Er, why? Users should never have to perform complex unautomated procedures, because such procedures can easily be screwed up and recovery

Re: NetBSD binary [was Re: config(5) break down]

2010-03-16 Thread Mark Weinem
Dear participants in this thread, If you feel the need to share your general opinions about NetBSD or the direction of development, please continue this on the netbsd-us...@netbsd.org mailing list. Please respect the users which have subscribed to the tech- mailing lists to participate in

Unsafe GENERIC? - Re: (unknown)

2010-03-16 Thread Aleksej Saushev
Alan Barrett a...@cequrux.com writes: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Aleksej Saushev wrote: While here, can anyone enlighten us how one boots NetBSD so that it looks for modules in non-default directory? You can't, and the people who want NetBSD to move to modular kernels don't seem to care. Until

Re: Unsafe GENERIC? - Re: (unknown)

2010-03-16 Thread Paul Goyette
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010, Aleksej Saushev wrote: Well... Could we arrange it so that we have safe monolithic GENERIC until issues are resolved somehow? For i386, use MONOLITHIC instad of GENERIC For amd64, the default is still MONOLITHIC, if I remember correctly.

Re: Unsafe GENERIC? - Re: (unknown)

2010-03-16 Thread Aleksej Saushev
Paul Goyette p...@whooppee.com writes: On Tue, 16 Mar 2010, Aleksej Saushev wrote: Well... Could we arrange it so that we have safe monolithic GENERIC until issues are resolved somehow? For i386, use MONOLITHIC instad of GENERIC For amd64, the default is still MONOLITHIC, if I remember

Kernel modules in non-default directories

2010-03-16 Thread Mark Weinem
On Tuesday 16 March 2010 20:51:23 Alan Barrett wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Aleksej Saushev wrote: [how to boot] NetBSD so that it looks for modules in non-default directory? You can't [...] Is this problem specific to NetBSD? Do other operating systems provide solutions? Best, Mark

Re: Kernel modules in non-default directories

2010-03-16 Thread Aleksej Saushev
Mark Weinem mark.wei...@alumni.uni-due.de writes: On Tuesday 16 March 2010 20:51:23 Alan Barrett wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Aleksej Saushev wrote: [how to boot] NetBSD so that it looks for modules in non-default directory? You can't [...] Is this problem specific to NetBSD? Do other