Re: vnd locking

2015-06-01 Thread Patrick Welche
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 04:56:57PM +, Taylor R Campbell wrote: >Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 13:09:58 +0100 >From: Patrick Welche > >There are a load of locking PRs involving vnd. I thought I would have a >stab at converting vnd to use condvars and mutexes (mutices?) as a first >

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread Simon Burge
Antti Kantee wrote: > On 31/05/15 06:05, matthew green wrote: > > hi Andrew! :) > > > >> Who is appalled to discover that pc532 support has been removed! > > In addition to toolchain support, the hardware was near-extinct at the > time of removal. That prompted me to turn the old beast on. Apa

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread Andrew Cagney
On 1 June 2015 at 02:15, Anders Magnusson wrote: > Andrew Cagney skrev den 2015-06-01 03:24: >> >> systems and generates reasonable code. Unfortunately, and sorry PCC >> (stabs, really?), > > Feel free to add dwarf, the source is out there, and it wouldn't be > especially difficult to do it. I j

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread David Holland
On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 11:41:38AM -0400, Andrew Cagney wrote: > >> systems and generates reasonable code. Unfortunately, and sorry PCC > >> (stabs, really?), > > > > Feel free to add dwarf, the source is out there, and it wouldn't be > > especially difficult to do it. I just haven't had tim

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread David Holland
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 09:24:48PM -0400, Andrew Cagney wrote: > On 30 May 2015 at 19:09, David Holland wrote: > > The reason I floated the idea of forking is that an OS that's > > specifically intended to be a high-quality Unix for older hardware can > > make a different set of decisions (mos

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread Andrew Cagney
On 1 June 2015 at 12:54, David Holland wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 11:41:38AM -0400, Andrew Cagney wrote: > > >> systems and generates reasonable code. Unfortunately, and sorry PCC > > >> (stabs, really?), > > > > > > Feel free to add dwarf, the source is out there, and it wouldn't be >

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread Andrew Cagney
On 1 June 2015 at 13:50, David Holland wrote: > but ignoring that -- who (other than apparently the gcc development > team) is focusing on burning ram? GNU, this is from the GNU coding standard; to me it explains some of the design choices I find in many GNU utilities: "For example, Unix utiliti

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread Andrew Cagney
> > (oh and please delete C++ groff, just replace it with that AWK script) > > which awk script? :-) > > (quite seriously, I've been looking for a while for an alternative to > groff for typesetting the miscellaneous articles in base. I was thinking of http://doc.cat-v.org/henry_spencer/awf/ whi

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread Iain Hibbert
On Mon, 1 Jun 2015, Andrew Cagney wrote: > PCC, as a "classic" C compiler, only generates debug information at > -O0. This this is because the stabs code is restricted to the > un-optimized code generator path. this is not actually the case btw, and I don't recall it being like that in the last

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread J. Lewis Muir
On 5/30/15 6:16 PM, David Holland wrote: > My thought is that rather than shim layers we (fsvo "we") ought to be > aggressively producing an alternative design, with the goal of getting > it to the point where application developers take notice instead of > robotically following where gnome/kde lea

Re: Groff (was: Removing ARCNET stuffs)

2015-06-01 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 05:50:07PM +, David Holland wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 09:24:48PM -0400, Andrew Cagney wrote: > > > (oh and please delete C++ groff, just replace it with that AWK script) > > which awk script? :-) > > (quite seriously, I've been looking for a while for an alte

Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs

2015-06-01 Thread Andrew Cagney
On 1 June 2015 at 15:13, Iain Hibbert wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jun 2015, Andrew Cagney wrote: > >> PCC, as a "classic" C compiler, only generates debug information at >> -O0. This this is because the stabs code is restricted to the >> un-optimized code generator path. > > this is not actually the case

retrocomputing NetBSD style

2015-06-01 Thread Greg A. Woods
At Fri, 29 May 2015 10:22:35 +, David Holland wrote: Subject: Re: Removing ARCNET stuffs > > There's one other thing I ought to mention here, which is that I have > never entirely understood the point of running a modern OS on old > hardware; if you're going to run a modern OS, you can run i