Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-13 Thread Christian Anderson
Sorry for the brevity of my previous reply. I was traveling. I think the spec, as it stands, is a great start and more than enough to start coding from. But I think the handling of OTR overtures is poorly designed. I am talking about two components of the spec: 1) The AutoStart and AutoAccept

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-09 Thread João Paulo Rechi Vita
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 00:50, Christian Anderson christ...@avtok.com wrote: On 06/04/2011 07:36 PM, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: When writing down the whole API I've realized that in progress should actually be broke down into tree states: REQUEST_SENT, REQUEST_RECEIVED, and AKE_STARTED.

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-09 Thread Christian Anderson
Thanks for you clarifications! I will try to write a more in-depth reply later, but here are a few quick thoughts in case you're mulling over the spec as we speak. On 06/09/2011 06:18 PM, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 00:50, Christian Anderson christ...@avtok.com wrote: On

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-09 Thread João Paulo Rechi Vita
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 19:42, Christian Anderson christ...@avtok.com wrote: Thanks for you clarifications! I will try to write a more in-depth reply later, but here are a few quick thoughts in case you're mulling over the spec as we speak. On 06/09/2011 06:18 PM, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote:

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-07 Thread Christian Anderson
On 06/04/2011 07:36 PM, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: When writing down the whole API I've realized that in progress should actually be broke down into tree states: REQUEST_SENT, REQUEST_RECEIVED, and AKE_STARTED. After finding my way through telepathy-spec XML syntax, I've managed to write

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-04 Thread João Paulo Rechi Vita
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 13:12, Will Thompson will.thomp...@collabora.co.uk wrote: On 03/06/11 04:04, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: I haven't thought that the UI could handle it entirely, it would be pretty straightforward since it would need the code to trigger an accept anyway. But wouldn't be

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-03 Thread João Paulo Rechi Vita
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 01:10, Christian Anderson christ...@avtok.com wrote: To reply to a question from earlier in the thread: On 06/01/2011 01:04 AM, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: Yes, I think so. Essentially shared secret and question/answer is exactly the same thing, but on the latter there

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-03 Thread João Paulo Rechi Vita
Hello Danni, thanks for the info! Comments inline. 2011/6/3 Danielle Madeley danielle.made...@collabora.co.uk: On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 00:04 -0300, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: You want the channel to be created immediately, without waiting for network traffic, I think. This means the Empathy

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-03 Thread Christian Anderson
I think we're at the point where it would be helpful to put forward a proposal for the final spec. Joao, are you planning to do that? A few replies in line: On 06/03/2011 07:23 AM, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 01:10, Christian Anderson christ...@avtok.com wrote: To reply

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-03 Thread João Paulo Rechi Vita
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:55, Christian Anderson christ...@avtok.com wrote: I think we're at the point where it would be helpful to put forward a proposal for the final spec. Joao, are you planning to do that? Yes, I'm planning to do so most likely tonight (UTC-3) or tomorrow the latest. A

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-03 Thread Will Thompson
On 03/06/11 04:04, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: I haven't thought that the UI could handle it entirely, it would be pretty straightforward since it would need the code to trigger an accept anyway. But wouldn't be easier to automatically test (continuous integration) this feature in the CMs

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-02 Thread Will Thompson
On 01/06/11 06:04, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 01:20, Christian Anderson christ...@avtok.com wrote: On 05/29/2011 06:56 PM, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: The problem is that Channels only exists for already established conversations. The client needs a way to get/set the

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-02 Thread João Paulo Rechi Vita
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 14:58, Will Thompson will.thomp...@collabora.co.uk wrote: On 01/06/11 06:04, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 01:20, Christian Anderson christ...@avtok.com wrote: On 05/29/2011 06:56 PM, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: The problem is that Channels only

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-02 Thread Christian Anderson
To reply to a question from earlier in the thread: On 06/01/2011 01:04 AM, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: Yes, I think so. Essentially shared secret and question/answer is exactly the same thing, but on the latter there is a hint on which shared secret should be used for verification. This makes

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-06-02 Thread Danielle Madeley
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 00:04 -0300, João Paulo Rechi Vita wrote: You want the channel to be created immediately, without waiting for network traffic, I think. This means the Empathy chat window can show the user what's going on, as in a throbbing padlock or something while the OTR session

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-05-31 Thread João Paulo Rechi Vita
Hello all, On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 01:20, Christian Anderson christ...@avtok.com wrote: Thanks for your thoughtful replies. Comments inline. By the way, should we be continuing this discussion on the mailing list? Or did you intentionally take it offline? I can forward this same message to

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-05-25 Thread Will Thompson
On 22/05/11 04:47, wolfrage8...@gmail.com wrote: João, This looks good, thank you for the information and update. Now I am not very strong as far as GIT goes, so what would be the best way for me to incorporate your changes in my gitourious repository. Just apply the raw patch? Then i think

Re: [Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-05-25 Thread Christian Anderson
Thanks for working on this! I'm just an Empathy user who would like e2e encryption, not an expert on anything. But I want to follow up on what Will said and throw some ideas out there that might have already been discussed out of band. On 05/25/2011 02:24 PM, Will Thompson wrote: I'm inclined to

[Telepathy] Fwd: GSoC Project: Add OTR support to Telepathy/Empathy for XMPP

2011-05-21 Thread wolfrage8...@gmail.com
João, This looks good, thank you for the information and update. Now I am not very strong as far as GIT goes, so what would be the best way for me to incorporate your changes in my gitourious repository. Just apply the raw patch? Then i think we still need some one to review the spec work to get