Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread cornel panceac
2011/5/31 drago01 drag...@gmail.com On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 05:29, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Probably, inability to configure your

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Pasha R
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:17 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 05:29, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Probably,

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread drago01
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 05/31/2011 09:17 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha Rpashar...@gmail.com  wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Jason D. Clintonm...@jasonclinton.com  wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at

F15 Not Ready for omen.com

2011-05-31 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I usually upgrade to the latest Fedora release for my server, but the problems with Gnome 3 may prevent that. I use Fedora on my server as an application platform and internet gateway. My Gnome 2x panel has 14 windows. The windows let me keep various projects separate. The server runs in the

rawhide report: 20110531 changes

2011-05-31 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue May 31 08:15:02 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- CGSI-gSOAP-1.3.4.0-2.fc15.i686 requires libvomsapi.so.0 CGSI-gSOAP-1.3.4.0-2.fc15.x86_64 requires libvomsapi.so.0()(64bit)

nouveau and multimonitor with mutter problems

2011-05-31 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
Hello, I'm trying here as F15 has been just released. Perhaps same problem in rawhide too.. During latest days I have tested my XPS M1330 Dell laptop with nvidia proprietary drivers and now I'm evaluating switching to nouveau. I have final F15 x86_64. No xorg.conf file and no nvidia rpm bits. I

Re: gnome-shell-extensions-drive-menu not ejecting devices

2011-05-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/31/2011 11:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/31/2011 09:59 AM, Pratyush Sahay wrote: Hello, In the PackageKit GUI (Add/Remove Software) , the shell-extension : gnome-shell-extensions-drive-menu has the following description : Adds a menu in the system status area that tracks

Re: F15 Not Ready for omen.com

2011-05-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 01:21 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: KDE may be suitable, but none of the get vncserver to use kde how-tos seem to work on Fedora 15. I had occasion to use VNC recently and it worked fine with KDE (on F14 admittedly) with no special configuration. Why would it

2011-05-30 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap

2011-05-31 Thread Vitezslav Humpa
As always, minutes and IRC transcript available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110530 Topic: Security test cases from athmane = * Security test cases from athmane: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_OpenVAS

Re: Fedora 14 to 15: no getty's

2011-05-31 Thread James Laska
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 10:20 +0200, A.J. Werkman wrote: I just updated a F14 system to F15. After the update I can't login via the console. Login through the network over ssh is possible. How did you update (DVD, preupgrade or yum)? Does this mean that the update procedure hasn't translated

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread ergodic
- drago01 gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Ralf Corsepius freenet.de wrote: On 05/31/2011 09:17 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha Rpashar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Jason D. Clintonjasonclinton.com wrote:

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 01:45, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Care to explain the logic behind this? Because it is really beyond my understanding. No, I don't. Your attitude is too antagonistic. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 08:56 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 01:45, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Care to explain the logic behind this? Because it is really beyond my understanding. No, I don't. Your attitude is too antagonistic. I don't think there is

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Pasha R
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 01:45, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Care to explain the logic behind this? Because it is really beyond my understanding. No, I don't. Your attitude is too antagonistic. Yes, I am.

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Frederic Muller
On 05/31/2011 10:37 PM, Pasha R wrote: Yes, I am. Some people suddenly force me to either change distribution or to lose access to many functions I found useful and essential, Hi! I think there is a slight misunderstanding here. GNOME 3.0 is a .0 release and thus bleeding edge. One would

Re: Fedora 15 install makes PC Unbootable

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/27/11 8:06 AM, cornel panceac wrote: 2011/5/27 Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com mailto:c...@omen.com 64 bit Fedora 15 release install using the basic video driver and manual partitioning completed without error messages. Boot loader was to set to the default

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Pasha R
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 09:37, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I am. Some people suddenly force me to either change distribution or to lose access to many functions I found useful and essential, and access

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Steven Haigh
On 1/06/2011 1:36 AM, Pasha R wrote: Unfortunately, Jason's answers on this list and other forums I read indicate unwillingness of at least some Gnome developers to listen to users, but I really hope I'm wrong here. You should see some of the replies I've had over the years about bugs in

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Pasha R
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Steven Haigh net...@crc.id.au wrote: On 1/06/2011 1:36 AM, Pasha R wrote: Unfortunately, Jason's answers on this list and other forums I read indicate unwillingness of at least some Gnome developers to listen to users, but I really hope I'm wrong here. You

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Genes MailLists
On 05/31/2011 11:27 AM, Pasha R wrote: This Fedora release is simply too useless for me - DSL connection is just one of many features I lost with this release (actually, it isn't, I never used NetworkManager before as it never supported configuration that I want to use). Speaking of network

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 20:21 -0700, Scott Doty wrote: Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: It's already been explained to you that it hasn't been replaced. The old and new interfaces are co-deployed intentionally. Alas, this turns out not to be the case. My Gnome 2 panel has

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 09:30 -0400, ergodic wrote: Screensavers has lost there use years ago. With today's screens they don't really save anything but simply waste power for no reason whatever. Be careful! A Plasma display needs the screensaver to prevent image burn. Well, no, it

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 09:45 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 09:37, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I am. Some people suddenly force me to either change distribution or to lose access to many functions I found useful and essential, and access to this

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 12:04 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 05/31/2011 11:27 AM, Pasha R wrote: This Fedora release is simply too useless for me - DSL connection is just one of many features I lost with this release (actually, it isn't, I never used NetworkManager before as it never

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Pasha R
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Lawrence E Graves lgra...@risingstarmbc.com wrote: I have read all of the opinions about Gnome 3 and was reluctant to participate in the discussion but something would not let me leave it alone. Many of you have purchased new cars and I am quite sure there were

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:46, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: it looks like this car has gas and brake pedals swapped and steering wheel is nowhere to be found.. How can you expect anyone to have a productive discussion with you when the starting point is absurd hyperbole? -- test

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 05/31/2011 12:05 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: How can you expect anyone to have a productive discussion with you when the starting point is absurd hyperbole? Jason, it seems the discussion is becoming so heated that you are replying to the wrong thread. It might be good for everyone to take

QA / Test-case Nmap

2011-05-31 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
Hello, I've just created a Nmap test case: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Nmap PS. Spin developers informed: https://fedorahosted.org/security-spin/ticket/115#comment:2 -- Athmane Madjoudj -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:07, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 05/31/2011 12:05 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: How can you expect anyone to have a productive discussion with you when the starting point is absurd hyperbole? .. you are replying to the wrong thread. What do you mean?

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 12:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/05/31 09:09 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed: Er, this thread is about NetworkManager. Nothing to do with panels. Judging by its generic subject line and length, it is about anything and everything remotely related to

RE: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On May 31, 2011 12:32 PM, John Dulaney j_dula...@live.com wrote: So, what I use is 'nm-applet'. For some reason, it is still there in /usr/bin (not that I'm complaining). It works fine standing alone without any other Gnome components loaded. Since it was included in my clean F15 install, I

RE: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread John Dulaney
Yes, we use the exact same applet in GNOME 3 Fallback Mode so we have an interest in its continued maintenance for the foreseesble future. Indeed. Maybe that's how I got it, from testing fallback? Anyway, it still has all the functionality that it had before, or at least everything I use. I

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:42, John Dulaney j_dula...@live.com wrote: Yes, we use the exact same applet in GNOME 3 Fallback Mode so we have an interest in its continued maintenance for the foreseesble future. Indeed.  Maybe that's how I got it, from testing fallback?  Anyway, it still has all

Re: gnome-shell-extensions-drive-menu not ejecting devices

2011-05-31 Thread Pratyush Sahay
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/31/2011 11:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Works just fine here. What version of GNOME Shell and this extension are you using? $ rpm -q gnome-shell gnome-shell-extensions-drive-menu

Re: gnome-shell-extensions-drive-menu not ejecting devices

2011-05-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/31/2011 11:35 PM, Pratyush Sahay wrote: Also, since the last update, the drive-menu icon is being shown perennially even without any external drives being mounted. When i click on it, its showing the hard drive partitions which i have mounted from /etc/fstab .. This wasnt the behaviour

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread drago01
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:17 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Mon,

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Jan Wildeboer
On 05/31/2011 08:11 PM, drago01 wrote: A screensaver isn't the right tool for this ... there are lots of dedicated apps for viewing family pictures. Some of my machines (servers) are connnected via KVM to a single screen. I like to see at one glance if they are doing sth (screensaver) or not.

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 05/31/2011 01:11 PM, drago01 wrote: A screensaver isn't the right tool for this ... there are lots of dedicated apps for viewing family pictures. Displaying random pixels (that just happen to be in the shape of photos) is not a proper tool for screen saving? Huh? I believe he is not using

Re: [Fedora QA] #192: Proposed Test Day - IPv6 - June 8, 2011 (Wednesday)

2011-05-31 Thread Fedora QA
#192: Proposed Test Day - IPv6 - June 8, 2011 (Wednesday) ---+ Reporter: lwang | Owner: Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 16 Component:

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread drago01
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 05/31/2011 01:11 PM, drago01 wrote: A screensaver isn't the right tool for this ... there are lots of dedicated apps for viewing family pictures. Displaying random pixels (that just happen to be in the shape of

Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey, folks. If you follow the trac ticket notifications on test@ you may have noticed this already, but I know it's easy to tune those out, and I'm CCing devel@ so people following that list know about this too. We're planning a Fedora IPv6 Test Day to coincide with World IPv6 Day on June 8. This

Re: QA / Test-case Nmap

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 18:11 +, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: Hello, I've just created a Nmap test case: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Nmap PS. Spin developers informed: https://fedorahosted.org/security-spin/ticket/115#comment:2 Hey, Athmane. I just took a look at all these

Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-05-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:28, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Hey, folks. If you follow the trac ticket notifications on test@ you may have noticed this already, but I know it's easy to tune those out, and I'm CCing devel@ so people following that list know about this too. We're

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Pasha R
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:11 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:17 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at

Re: QA / Test-case Nmap

2011-05-31 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
On 05/31/2011 06:42 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 18:11 +, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: Hello, I've just created a Nmap test case: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Nmap PS. Spin developers informed: https://fedorahosted.org/security-spin/ticket/115#comment:2

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Genes MailLists
On 05/31/2011 02:53 PM, Pasha R wrote: Generally, screensavers were part of computing experience for a long time (15 years at least). People developed tons of different screensavers -- ranging from some chaotic graphics to cartoon Lots of business computers use screenvertizing to show

Re: QA / Test-case Nmap

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 19:53 +, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: Thanks, I've got an email notification of the changes, if I understood correctly, Bodhi gets the test cases from pkg test plan automatically, I thought that the update submitter fill the Bodhi's Test cases field manually. Right,

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Pasha R
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:46, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:  it looks like this car has gas and brake pedals swapped and steering wheel is nowhere to be found.. How can you expect anyone to have a productive

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 14:18, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: So, lets  tackle the screensaver issue again. As I understand from your answer there are currently no plans to return screensavers other than blank screen - it is not a temporary matter of lack of resources. I would like to see

Re: Release criteria updates: desktop question

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 15:40 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Finally, I have a new proposal for the issue of 'supported' desktops, which is blocking another planned criterion that we've been meaning to add for a while. I'm now proposing the term 'release-blocking desktops': it's simple, it does

Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-05-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 05/31/2011 01:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: it would also be great if those who understand what the hell they're doing with IPv6 could check over the Wiki page for accuracy and completeness. There don't seem to be any formal test cases presently. Are there some in drafts that I don't see

Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 14:34 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 05/31/2011 01:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: it would also be great if those who understand what the hell they're doing with IPv6 could check over the Wiki page for accuracy and completeness. There don't seem to be any

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 05/31/2011 12:13 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: What do you mean? I quoted the hyperbole. I just received Pasha's initial e-mail, which you quoted. My mistake. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

fedora 15 final - startup applications

2011-05-31 Thread Johan Scheepers
Good day, Just installed fedora 15 - gnome 3 not possible due to card limitations. Operating on fallback. I do not seem to locate the option to place applications to startup while booting. In the past it was easy. Kindly point me in the right direction please. Thanks Johan S -- test

Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far

2011-05-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 05/31/2011 01:26 PM, drago01 wrote: You missed the point. Cutting out important parts of e-mails is something I used to do. It helped emphasize when I missed the point. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: fedora 15 final - startup applications

2011-05-31 Thread Mathieu Bouffard
On 05/31/2011 05:16 PM, Johan Scheepers wrote: Good day, Just installed fedora 15 - gnome 3 not possible due to card limitations. Operating on fallback. I do not seem to locate the option to place applications to startup while booting. In the past it was easy. Kindly point me in the

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Antonio Olivares
Lawrence, -- All things are workable but not all things work. Prov. 3:56 -- The quote \begin{quote} All things are workable but not all things work. Prov. 3:56 \end{quote} applies or not? Anyhow, For the users that don't like Gnome 3 I like the Dennis Green Quote :) Q: Who were

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/01/2011 07:49 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: A happy KDE 4.6.X, Gnome 3/Gnome 2.32.X/XFCE/LXDE user:) All/Most of the desktops have an equal opportunity to be in my machines and I am happy to have them too! +1 FWIW, the network management GUIs of both GNOME and KDE have deficiencies.

Re: Gnome 3

2011-05-31 Thread Scott Doty
On 05/31/2011 12:18 PM, Pasha R wrote: So, lets tackle the screensaver issue again. As I understand from your answer there are currently no plans to return screensavers other than blank screen - it is not a temporary matter of lack of resources. I would like to see this decision reversed.

Re: fedora 15 final - startup applications

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 23:16 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: Good day, Just installed fedora 15 - gnome 3 not possible due to card limitations. Operating on fallback. I do not seem to locate the option to place applications to startup while booting. In the past it was easy. Kindly

libreoffice

2011-05-31 Thread Rob Healey
Greetings All: I am having problems with installing libreoffice... Here is what I get from yum... -- Running transaction check --- Package libreoffice-core.x86_64 1:3.4.0.1-1.fc16 will be installed -- Processing Dependency: libhunspell-1.2.so.0()(64bit) for package:

Re: gnome-shell-extensions-drive-menu not ejecting devices

2011-05-31 Thread Pratyush Sahay
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/31/2011 11:35 PM, Pratyush Sahay wrote: Also, since the last update, the drive-menu icon is being shown perennially even without any external drives being mounted. When i click on it, its showing the hard