Re: maintaining minimal

2013-09-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 09/28/2013 10:50 PM, Felix Miata wrote: At this point, 'yum install kdm konsole kcalc konqueror ksnapshot kcm-gtk' only wants to install 198 packages, with konq apparently a part of kde-baseapps instead of separate. Almost close enough for gummint work. Kde-workspace wasn't pulled. Another 32

Re: maintaining minimal

2013-09-28 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-09-28 20:28 (GMT-0700) Samuel Sieb composed: Felix Miata wrote: That statement in conjunction with behavior I've observed seems to indicate hard dependencies have been created for what on other distros would be suggests. e.g., 'yum install konsole' results in 1 package plus 190 depend

Re: maintaining minimal

2013-09-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 09/28/2013 01:38 AM, Felix Miata wrote: That statement in conjunction with behavior I've observed seems to indicate hard dependencies have been created for what on other distros would be suggests. e.g., 'yum install konsole' results in 1 package plus 190 dependent packages to be installed, amo

Re: maintaining minimal

2013-09-28 Thread Gavin Flower
On 29/09/13 14:47, Adam Williamson wrote: [...] Soft deps could help with this, but the Fedora package management folks have been opposed to them for a long time. They have some valid reasons; personally I'm pro-soft deps, but it doesn't look like it'll happen soon. Maybe we should have semi-

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Gavin Flower
On 29/09/13 14:37, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 20:49 -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: I agree. I find these digressions interesting and informative. I suppose it's just me, then! Life would not be worth living, if we all had exactly the same interests! :-) Viva la difference! Che

Re: maintaining minimal

2013-09-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 04:38 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > That statement in conjunction with behavior I've observed seems to indicate > hard dependencies have been created for what on other distros would be > suggests. e.g., 'yum install konsole' results in 1 package plus 190 dependent > packages

Fedora 19 updates-testing report

2013-09-28 Thread updates
The following Fedora 19 Security updates need testing: Age URL 44 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-14814/python-glanceclient-0.9.0-3.fc19 9 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-17121/vino-3.8.1-3.fc19 6 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-

Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-09-28 Thread updates
The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing: Age URL 162 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-6117/eucalyptus-3.2.2-1.fc18 57 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-14005/zabbix-2.0.6-3.fc18 44 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-14

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 20:49 -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: > I agree. I find these digressions interesting and informative. I suppose it's just me, then! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin DOT net http://www.happyassassin.net

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Andre Robatino
Patrick O'Callaghan gmail.com> writes: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Gavin Flower archidevsys.co.nz> wrote:How about: > #fedora-ancient > > > Not against the idea, but the name is problematic. People might think it's about old versions of Fedora. Even Red Hat Linux didn't exist un

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Gavin Flower < gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz> wrote: > How about: > #fedora-ancient > Not against the idea, but the name is problematic. People might think it's about old versions of Fedora. poc -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Gavin Flower
On 29/09/13 10:10, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 28 September 2013 08:39, Clyde E. Kunkel mailto:clydekunkel7...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 09/27/2013 09:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:49:51PM -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: I agree. I find these di

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 28 September 2013 08:39, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > On 09/27/2013 09:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:49:51PM -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: >> >>> I agree. I find these digressions interesting and informative. >>> >> >> They _really do_ keep coming up. What if we create a F

Re: A different way of installing Fedora

2013-09-28 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/27/2013 09:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:49:51PM -0500, dkrawchuk wrote: I agree. I find these digressions interesting and informative. They _really do_ keep coming up. What if we create a Fedora Old-Timers list for this kind of discussion? I'm not even kidding

F-20 Branched report: 20130928 changes

2013-09-28 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Sat Sep 28 09:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for armhfp -- [blueman] blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires obex-data-server >= 0:0.4.3 blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires gvfs-obexftp [bwm-ng] bwm-ng-0.6

Re: maintaining minimal

2013-09-28 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-09-27 19:33 (GMT-0600) Orion Poplawski composed: Felix Miata wrote: I'm not having any luck figuring out how Yum can be limited to installing only hard dependencies when any given package is installed, avoiding "nice to have" things that take time to install and update that I'll never