Re: Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 00:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Dec 13, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 15:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> > >> Yeah I'm holding off on a major f bomb email until I understand what > >> happened and exactly when this broke. If y

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 07:31 +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 18:49 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Well, then there's th

Re: Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 13, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 15:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Yeah I'm holding off on a major f bomb email until I understand what >> happened and exactly when this broke. If you have some insight on that >> to save me regression testing, tha

Re: Very rough storage validation matrix draft

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 00:06 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Dec 13, 2013, at 11:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 21:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> > >>> It is still very large, that's probably the f

Re: Very rough storage validation matrix draft

2013-12-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 13, 2013, at 11:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 21:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >>> It is still very large, that's probably the first thing you'd notice >>> about it. >> >> I counted, for fun: even

Re: Very rough storage validation matrix draft

2013-12-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 21:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> It is still very large, that's probably the first thing you'd notice >> about it. > > I counted, for fun: even excluding the 'sanity checks', it contains 101 > tests. In my op

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread drago01
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 18:49 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> >> >> Well, then there's the problem. We can't have release criteria >> that say >>

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/13/2013 05:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, nonamedotc wrote: I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and restarting the system -

Re: Very rough storage validation matrix draft

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 21:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > It is still very large, that's probably the first thing you'd notice > about it. I counted, for fun: even excluding the 'sanity checks', it contains 101 tests. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fe

Very rough storage validation matrix draft

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi, folks. So, our current set of storage validation tests is just a grab-bag of stuff we've held over from oldui, added and patched piecemeal; it's not very coherent or consistent and it doesn't come close to exercising all of the storage stuff in the installer. We wind up sort of inventing test p

Re: Fedora 20 RC1 AMIs

2013-12-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:46:16 -0500 Matthew Miller escribió: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 05:47:38AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > additionally if your looking to the AMI's they have been added to > > > files in the release tree > > > http://dl.fedor

Fedora 20 updates-testing report

2013-12-13 Thread updates
The following Fedora 20 Security updates need testing: Age URL 57 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-19198/quassel-0.9.1-1.fc20 49 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-19934/openstack-glance-2013.2-2.fc20 44 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDOR

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Gavin Flower
On 14/12/13 12:49, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, then there's the problem. We can't have release criteria that say "we really stand behind the package sets installed from the DVD" if we don't. That is true however the

Fedora 21 and 22 trackers created

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey folks - just a quick note, I've created the F21 and F22 blocker/FE tracker bugs and updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Trackers . The F21 tracker bugs have the 'non-versioned' aliases (AlphaBlocker, BetaBlocker etc etc) now, so you can propose F21 blocker/FEs easily.

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 18:49 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > Well, then there's the problem. We can't have release criteria > that say > "we really stand behind the package s

Re: Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 15:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I meant to write this test case anyhow, but today's brown paper bag bug > > - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1040669 - gives > > it a certain sense of importanc

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > Well, then there's the problem. We can't have release criteria that say > "we really stand behind the package sets installed from the DVD" if we > don't. > That is true however the solution is not to weaken the release criteria b

Re: RC1 and UEFI

2013-12-13 Thread Bob Lightfoot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/2013 06:02 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > > On 12/13/2013 02:44 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 02:02 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >>> On 12/12/2013 04:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 16

Re: RC1 and UEFI

2013-12-13 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 12/13/2013 02:44 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 02:02 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 12/12/2013 04:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 16:49 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: Could you be more specific about what information you need and how I mi

Re: Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 13, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I meant to write this test case anyhow, but today's brown paper bag bug > - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1040669 - gives > it a certain sense of importance, so I thought I'd best get it done now. > > I wrote > https:/

Re: RC1 and UEFI

2013-12-13 Thread Pete Travis
On Dec 13, 2013 3:12 AM, "poma" wrote: > > On 13.12.2013 11:02, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > > > Please provide the name of a command that sends the required > > files to Red Hat when this happens. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_installation_problems :) > BTW don't hesitate to a

Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
I meant to write this test case anyhow, but today's brown paper bag bug - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1040669 - gives it a certain sense of importance, so I thought I'd best get it done now. I wrote https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_anaconda_lvmthinp_rootfs , and

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 16:42 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 12:44 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > As I've said, if people are willing to actually go out and do that, then > > fine. Does desktop team actively curate the DVD-installed package set? > > And to play the counte

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 12:44 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > As I've said, if people are willing to actually go out and do that, then > fine. Does desktop team actively curate the DVD-installed package set? > And to play the counter-factual game: imagine there had been a bug > analogous to https://

[Test-Announce] Important note regarding /root permissions for those who installed Fedora 20 pre-releases

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi, folks. I wanted to draw the attention of anyone who used Fedora 20 pre-release (Alpha, Beta, or TC/RC for Alpha, Beta or Final) to this issue: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F20_bugs#.2Froot_permissions_incorrect_on_pre-release_installations Briefly, if you did use F20 pre-release - th

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 21:36 +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does not > > consider this release criterion applicable/desired: > > > > "All applications that can be launched using the standard

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread drago01
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does not > consider this release criterion applicable/desired: > > "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical > mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a

Re: yum rawhide failing....

2013-12-13 Thread poma
On 13.12.2013 16:17, Michael Schwendt wrote: > "yum clean" without any additional options could be the default. > > Btw, from time to time I kill everything below /var/lib/yum to get rid > of old history/yumdb files I don't find relevant anymore. Sí jefe! All right! Have a nice weekend! poma

Re: yum rawhide failing....

2013-12-13 Thread Kevin Martin
On 12/13/2013 09:17 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:52:58 +0100, poma wrote: > >>> Prefer "yum clean metadata" (or just "yum clean expire-cache") over >>> deleting even downloaded/cached packages with "all". >> >> Sí jefe, pero "todos" es tan hermosa. ;) > > "yum clean" with

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) said: > The DVD is releng/fesco responsibility, they dictate and decide > what's on it and what not and how it's delivered not the > sub-community's. Really? The KDE SIG has full access to change what gets installed when you install from the DVD. If

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-13 Thread nonamedotc
On 12/13/2013 10:48 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, nonamedotc wrote: I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and restarting the system -

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, nonamedotc wrote: > > I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember > > sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and > > restarting the system - this does not affect the behavio

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, nonamedotc wrote: I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and restarting the system - this does not affect the behavior in any way. Is anyone else seeing this? Yes, I am. Both under F19 a

Re: Fedora 20 RC1 AMIs

2013-12-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 05:47:38AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > additionally if your looking to the AMI's they have been added to > > files in the release tree > > http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-RC1/Images/i386/Fedora-Images-i386-20-AMI > > http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stag

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Final Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

2013-12-13 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2013/12/13 nonamedotc > On 12/13/2013 09:02 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Is there any netinstall image for this RC1? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Michal >> >> http://eventhorizon.pl/ >> >> >> > > Yes. There is > > http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-RC1.1/Fedora/x86_64/iso

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Final Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

2013-12-13 Thread nonamedotc
On 12/13/2013 09:02 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, Is there any netinstall image for this RC1? -- Best regards, Michal http://eventhorizon.pl/ Yes. There is http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-RC1.1/Fedora/x86_64/iso/ Download this image from the link above - Fedora-20-x86_64

Re: yum rawhide failing....

2013-12-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:52:58 +0100, poma wrote: > > Prefer "yum clean metadata" (or just "yum clean expire-cache") over > > deleting even downloaded/cached packages with "all". > > Sí jefe, pero "todos" es tan hermosa. ;) "yum clean" without any additional options could be the default. Btw, fro

xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-13 Thread nonamedotc
I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and restarting the system - this does not affect the behavior in any way. Is anyone else seeing this? How can I troubleshoot this and what information should I provide fo

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Final Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

2013-12-13 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, Is there any netinstall image for this RC1? 2013/12/12 Andre Robatino > NOTE: The 32-bit Install DVD is over its size limit. > > As per the Fedora 20 schedule [1], Fedora 20 Final Release Candidate 1 > (RC1) is now available for testing. Content information, including > changes, can be foun

Re: Fedora 20 RC1 AMIs

2013-12-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Thu, 12 Dec 2013 04:05:55 -0600 Dennis Gilmore escribió: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > Final RC1 images have been uploaded to EC2 and are available at > > ami-3b361952 : us-east-1 image for i386 > ami-1337187

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 05:54 -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote: > On 12/13/2013 03:20 AM, poma wrote: > > On 13.12.2013 08:25, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > >> >I argue that we should get rid of the DVD it's an era of the past and > >> >just provide net-install iso and lives. > > Probably there ar

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Rejy M Cyriac
On 12/13/2013 04:24 PM, Gene Czarcinski wrote: > On 12/13/2013 03:20 AM, poma wrote: >> On 13.12.2013 08:25, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> >>> >I argue that we should get rid of the DVD it's an era of the past and >>> >just provide net-install iso and lives. >> Probably there are good reasons w

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Rejy M Cyriac
On 12/13/2013 12:55 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On fös 13.des 2013 06:30, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 05:31 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >>> On fös 13.des 2013 02:05, Adam Williamson wrote: It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does no

F-20 Branched report: 20131213 changes

2013-12-13 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Fri Dec 13 07:15:03 UTC 2013 Broken deps for armhfp -- [avro] avro-mapred-1.7.5-1.fc20.noarch requires hadoop-mapreduce avro-mapred-1.7.5-1.fc20.noarch requires hadoop-client [blueman] blueman-1.23-7

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Gene Czarcinski
On 12/13/2013 03:20 AM, poma wrote: On 13.12.2013 08:25, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >I argue that we should get rid of the DVD it's an era of the past and >just provide net-install iso and lives. Probably there are good reasons why the DVD is still here. Indeed! There are environments/sit

Re: yum rawhide failing....

2013-12-13 Thread poma
On 13.12.2013 11:43, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Prefer "yum clean metadata" (or just "yum clean expire-cache") over > deleting even downloaded/cached packages with "all". Sí jefe, pero "todos" es tan hermosa. ;) poma -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://ad

Re: RC1 and UEFI

2013-12-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 02:02 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > On 12/12/2013 04:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 16:49 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > >> Could you be more specific about what information you need > >> and how I might get this information? > > In your

Re: yum rawhide failing....

2013-12-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 07:36:41 +0100, poma wrote: > On 13.12.2013 03:02, Kevin Martin wrote: > > Every mirror for yum rawhide is failing at this time for me with 404 not > > found messages. I see this error as well: > > > > One of the configured repositories failed (Fedora - Rawhide - Development

Re: RC1 and UEFI

2013-12-13 Thread poma
On 13.12.2013 11:02, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > Please provide the name of a command that sends the required > files to Red Hat when this happens. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_installation_problems :) BTW don't hesitate to ask directly on https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo

Re: RC1 and UEFI

2013-12-13 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
On 12/12/2013 04:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 16:49 -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: Could you be more specific about what information you need and how I might get this information? In your initial description you wrote "Anaconda cannot modify the hard drive when boote

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread poma
On 13.12.2013 08:25, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > I argue that we should get rid of the DVD it's an era of the past and > just provide net-install iso and lives. Probably there are good reasons why the DVD is still here. poma -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscr

[Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Final status is Go; GA release on Dec-17!

2013-12-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
At the Fedora 20 Final Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, it was agreed to Go with the Fedora 20 by Fedora QA and Fedora Development. Fedora Release Engineering to be notified. "#agreed Fedora QA and Fedora Development are both Go; Fedora Release Engineering to be notified (with possibility to r