Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 23:26 -0500, John Dulaney wrote: Ahoy, So, I am with Adam on this one (I'm not a mod?). You weren't actually in the group when I checked, IIRC, and I didn't want to start adding many more people until I floated the idea on the list first. Seems like most everyone is

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 10:15 +0530, Akshay Vyas wrote: So I'm proposing we do something simple: let's just go ahead and stick everyone who can reasonably be considered a 'QA team member' in the FAS 'qa' group. This wouldn't be hard to do, I can make sure sufficient people within and

Re: Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 00:57 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Actually - it'd basically just be the 'guided installation' table from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_storage_matrix#Guided_installationwithout

Re: Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:57 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Actually - it'd basically just be the 'guided installation' table from

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-17 Thread Akshay Vyas
As explained a few times: there are things within Fedora as a whole (not the QA group) which you need to be a member of a FAS group other than 'cla_done' to get access to - the intent being that only people who are 'members' of Fedora in some way should get them. Space on fedorapeople.org and

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-17 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Right now me, James Laska, Will Woods and Jesse Keating are the admins of the QA group. This is obviously a bit silly. I'll drop jlaska's, wwoods' and jesses'

Re: Proposed validation test case: root on LVM thinp

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:07 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 00:57 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Actually - it'd basically just be the 'guided installation' table from

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/16/2013 11:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, Next probably genuine xfce bug: thunar File Manager windows do not get restored to their position they had carried before. Bug filed:

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-17 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On þri 17.des 2013 04:26, John Dulaney wrote: Ahoy, So, I am with Adam on this one (I'm not a mod?). I've been +1 for this idea for quite some time now. Johann, I've been around for a long time, even longer than Adam, and I don't remember the original purpose for the QA group; I do vaguely

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2013-12-17 Thread Robyn Bergeron
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any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Neal Becker
success/failure? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Philippe LeCavalier
Failed for me on 64-bit. However, error was 'no updates for following pckgs' and pckgs in question(allot) were almost all non-stock/post install. This was about 3 days ago. Thanks, Phil On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: success/failure? -- test

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Philippe LeCavalier
Yes and no. I couldn't boot into 20 at all. But I easily recovered by simply choosing the previous F19 entry in GRUB. Thanks, Phil On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Did it fail badly - leaving you a mess? Philippe LeCavalier wrote: Failed for me on

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 09:19 -0600, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: Failed for me on 64-bit. However, error was 'no updates for following pckgs' and pckgs in question(allot) were almost all non-stock/post install. That's not an error, it's just an informational message. If that was the _only_

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 10:13 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: success/failure? Quite a few people have reported success on G+ and in the forums, that I've seen. Aside from validation testing (where it worked, of course) I fedup'ed my server VM host from 18 to 20 without issues yesterday. Heck, I

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Philippe LeCavalier
Sure but I still couldn't successfully complete the fedup 20 due to the notice. On Dec 17, 2013 11:14 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 09:19 -0600, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: Failed for me on 64-bit. However, error was 'no updates for following pckgs' and

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I really would like to see other people's proposals in this area. I'm not at all convinced I'm going to be the person who comes up with the best idea. I'd love to know what cmurf would suggest as an overall approach to

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Joel Gomberg
On 12/17/2013 07:13 AM, Neal Becker wrote: success/failure? Success on two machines. I did have to import keys for the rpmfusion repos, though. Otherwise, worked like a charm. Fedup is a huge improvement over preupgrade. -- Joel -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-17 Thread C. E. Kunkel
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 09:45 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I really would like to see other people's proposals in this area. I'm not at all convinced I'm going to be the person who comes up with the best idea. I'd love

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 11:30 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: Sure but I still couldn't successfully complete the fedup 20 due to the notice. I don't think that's correct. I had one of these notices on my upgrade, and the upgrade worked. I'm not saying you didn't have a problem, I'm saying

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Philippe LeCavalier
Agreed. I only supplied the info that was given on the screen. When I boot into F20 to perform the fedup I don't get past the progress-bar-type splash screen and thus have no details to provide other than the aforementioned. Perhaps calling it an error was an error ;) On the same note; how do I

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 11:29 -0600, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: Agreed. I only supplied the info that was given on the screen. When I boot into F20 to perform the fedup I don't get past the progress-bar-type splash screen and thus have no details to provide other than the aforementioned. Perhaps

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Philippe LeCavalier
Okay. Thanks! I'll try that tonight. Thanks, Phil On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 11:29 -0600, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: Agreed. I only supplied the info that was given on the screen. When I boot into F20 to perform the

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-17 Thread R P Herrold
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Akshay Vyas wrote: If we can do every QA stuff without being a part of QA group then what's the use of creating a QA group How do you STOP people from doing QA, and reporting stuff either to bugzilla or the mailing list? But I think the issue is that at least one

Re: Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 13:29 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: upda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing: Age URL 241 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-6117/eucalyptus-3.2.2-1.fc18 88

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Dan Scott
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: success/failure? I had total success about 10 days ago with fedup f19-f20 on two different x86_64 systems: a Thinkpad 400 and an el-cheapo Acer AMD dual-core desktop. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To

More on storage validation strategy (was: Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications)

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 09:45 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I really would like to see other people's proposals in this area. I'm not at all convinced I'm going to be the person who comes up with the best idea. I'd love

Re: Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 21:21 +0100, Christophe Fergeau wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:17:37PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 13:29 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: upda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing: Age

Re: Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-12-17 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Adam Williamson wrote: The submitter has just submitted it for stable, so it should make it on the next push. Thanks, Adam. People are usually responsive to my e-mails and the ball starts rolling. Wireshark is the last update that needs attention. -- test mailing list

Re: Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 14:59 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: The submitter has just submitted it for stable, so it should make it on the next push. Thanks, Adam. People are usually responsive to my e-mails and the ball starts rolling. Wireshark is the last

Re: Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-12-17 Thread Michael Cronenworth
upda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing: Age URL 241 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-6117/eucalyptus-3.2.2-1.fc18 88 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-17195/spice-gtk-0.18-3.fc18 82

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Philippe LeCavalier
So it appears I'm stuck at mounted /boot. At the top I can see an error Start Load Kernel Modules FAILED or something similar. Thanks, Phil On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Philippe LeCavalier supp...@plecavalier.com wrote: Okay. Thanks! I'll try that tonight. Thanks, Phil On Tue,

Fedora 18 updates-testing report

2013-12-17 Thread updates
The following Fedora 18 Security updates need testing: Age URL 241 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-6117/eucalyptus-3.2.2-1.fc18 88 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-17195/spice-gtk-0.18-3.fc18 82

Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20

2013-12-17 Thread Gavin Flower
On 17/12/13 22:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/16/2013 11:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, Well, some of these obviously are Gnome3 regressions: Next bug filed:

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 16:02 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: So it appears I'm stuck at mounted /boot. At the top I can see an error Start Load Kernel Modules FAILED or something similar. Can you get the precise message, and/or a picture of the screen? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA

fedup f19-f20 success (sort of)

2013-12-17 Thread Neal Becker
It did succeed. But I thought it wasn't going to. After reboot into fedup, it gave *no indication at all* that it was doing anything. I was sure it was hosed, but left and went to lunch. No visual indication anything was happening, no flickering of the disk activity light. I switched

Re: fedup f19-f20 success (sort of)

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 14:07 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: It did succeed. But I thought it wasn't going to. After reboot into fedup, it gave *no indication at all* that it was doing anything. I was sure it was hosed, but left and went to lunch. No visual indication anything was happening,

RE: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-17 Thread John Dulaney
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:52:16 + From: johan...@gmail.com To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already Purpose and a fact of being elitist group which caused more harm then good in the QA community and what I'm worried about is

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Philippe LeCavalier
Pics are awaiting approval by the moderator... Thanks, Phil On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 16:02 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: So it appears I'm stuck at mounted /boot. At the top I can see an error Start Load Kernel

Re: fedup f19-f20 success (sort of)

2013-12-17 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:59:20AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 14:07 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: After reboot into fedup, it gave *no indication at all* that it was doing anything. I was sure it was hosed, It should show a graphical bootsplash with a

Re: fedup f19-f20 success (sort of)

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 16:45 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:59:20AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 14:07 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: After reboot into fedup, it gave *no indication at all* that it was doing anything. I was sure it was

Re: Proposal: let's just use the FAS group already

2013-12-17 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On þri 17.des 2013 23:05, John Dulaney wrote: What do you mean, mutilate it to serv it's corporate purpose? Are you stating that since I now work for Red Hat, I'm evil? No I'm stating that because of the history and that history should not be allowed to be forgotten and you are not suddenly

Re: fedup f19-f20 success (sort of)

2013-12-17 Thread Neal Becker
Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 16:45 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:59:20AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 14:07 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: After reboot into fedup, it gave *no indication at all* that it was doing anything.

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 16:02 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: So it appears I'm stuck at mounted /boot. At the top I can see an error Start Load Kernel Modules FAILED or something similar. Can you get the precise

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 23:07 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 16:02 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: So it appears I'm stuck at mounted /boot. At the top I can see an error Start Load Kernel

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 23:07 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 16:02 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: So it appears I'm stuck

[Test-Announce] PSA: Use fedup 0.8 for upgrades to Fedora 20! (was Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?)

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 21:47 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 15:16 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: I have a tendency to upgrade to a new Fedora release as soon as it's final, and I sometimes upgrade even sooner. ISTM that the official upgrade process is almost always

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread William Morris
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:37 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.comwrote: On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 23:07 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue,

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Yeah I just did an F18 live desktop install to kvm, installed 0.7.3-4, ran it with: fedup --network 20 --debuglog fedupdebug.log The download is fine. The grub.cfg is correct. The reboot fails and before I can

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/18/2013 08:12 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Yeah I just did an F18 live desktop install to kvm, installed 0.7.3-4, ran it with: fedup --network 20 --debuglog fedupdebug.log The download is fine. The grub.cfg is

Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 18, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: If anyone else is having such errors, is your rootfs btrfs by any chance? On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:57 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I can only think that using fedup 0.7 against upgrade kernel/image

[Test-Announce] PSA: Use fedup 0.8 for upgrades to Fedora 20! (was Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?)

2013-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 21:47 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 15:16 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: I have a tendency to upgrade to a new Fedora release as soon as it's final, and I sometimes upgrade even sooner. ISTM that the official upgrade process is almost always