Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-03-01 Thread mwesten
On 03/01/2012 04:31 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 13:01 -0500, mwesten wrote: I set this up on the Alpha release and the results are below. I'm assuming there's something wrong with that top entry, but I don't know how to fix it. Events: 50K cycles 55.99% gnome-shell per

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-03-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 13:01 -0500, mwesten wrote: > I set this up on the Alpha release and the results are below. I'm > assuming there's something wrong with that top entry, but I don't know > how to fix it. > > Events: 50K cycles > > 55.99% gnome-shell perf-6425.map

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-03-01 Thread mwesten
On 02/23/2012 09:54 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: In the non-steady-state, though, the current implementation is known to be incredibly memcpy-heavy. Fixes coming soon, beta should be much better I hope. If you want to collect some data about where CPU time is being spent, 'perf record' against the

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 08:11 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: > >> Almost all FC17 kernels are debug kernels. A quick way to tell if > >> you're > >> using one is: > >> > >> grep -i CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r` > >> > >> 'not set' = release

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-24 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: >> Almost all FC17 kernels are debug kernels. A quick way to tell if >> you're >> using one is: >> >> grep -i CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r` >> >> 'not set' = release kernel. 'Y' = debug kernel. >> >> The kernel team is building one ke

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-24 Thread Kamil Paral
> Almost all FC17 kernels are debug kernels. A quick way to tell if > you're > using one is: > > grep -i CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r` > > 'not set' = release kernel. 'Y' = debug kernel. > > The kernel team is building one kernel per upstream kernel release (I > think that's it) as '

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 19:40 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:43:22AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 09:54 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > > > > For comparison: > > > > > > > > 3,2GHz Pentium 4 (HT Disabled) / Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV370 / 1680x10

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-23 Thread mwesten
On 02/23/2012 09:54 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 08:44 -0500, mwesten wrote: Fedora-17-Alpha-i686-Live-Desktop.iso (RC2) on USB 2.13GHz AthlonXP 2600+ / RV200 (Radeon 7500) / 1280x1024 Fallback mode is fine, but once the shell starts, it's a battle just to get System Monitor

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-23 Thread mwesten
On 02/23/2012 02:43 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 09:54 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: For comparison: 3,2GHz Pentium 4 (HT Disabled) / Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV370 / 1680x1050 Fine. System Monitor CPU at 19%. That's still way higher than I'd like, but it's at least an r300g bug

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-23 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:43:22AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 09:54 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > > For comparison: > > > > > > 3,2GHz Pentium 4 (HT Disabled) / Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV370 / 1680x1050 > > > > > > Fine. System Monitor CPU at 19%. > > > > That's still

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 09:54 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > > For comparison: > > > > 3,2GHz Pentium 4 (HT Disabled) / Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV370 / 1680x1050 > > > > Fine. System Monitor CPU at 19%. > > That's still way higher than I'd like, but it's at least an r300g bug > not an llvmpipe bug. Re

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 08:44 -0500, mwesten wrote: > Fedora-17-Alpha-i686-Live-Desktop.iso (RC2) on USB > > 2.13GHz AthlonXP 2600+ / RV200 (Radeon 7500) / 1280x1024 > > Fallback mode is fine, but once the shell starts, it's a battle just to > get System Monitor open and to the Resources tab. On

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-23 Thread mwesten
On 02/22/2012 02:42 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: I am afraid that I am not qualified to sensibly discuss underlying mechanisms. I can only report what I see. In this thread mwes...@verizon.net wrote "the processor gets pegged at 100% continuously and it's not usable". I am not sure what was t

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-22 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 08:46:30PM +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Michal Jaegermann > wrote: > > In summary this is deep into a "dancing pig" teritory; no question of > > dancing well but one marvels that she is dancing at all. > > What is your screen resolution? 1

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 09:40:18AM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: >> On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 16:35 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: >> >> > This particular one is a 64-bit (albeit quite old) processor: >> > >> > vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD >> > c

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-22 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 09:40:18AM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 16:35 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > > This particular one is a 64-bit (albeit quite old) processor: > > > > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > > cpu family : 15 > > model : 5 > > model name : AMD

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 16:35 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > This particular one is a 64-bit (albeit quite old) processor: > > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > cpu family: 15 > model : 5 > model name: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 142 > stepping : 1 > cpu MHz : 1600.

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 16:35 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 05:12:13PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > > On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 13:10 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > > > > Running 'LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 gnome-shell --replace', as proposed by > > > drago01, indeed starts

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-21 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 05:12:13PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 13:10 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > > Running 'LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 gnome-shell --replace', as proposed by > > drago01, indeed starts an intended mode gnome session, both before and > > after installing

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-21 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 13:10 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Running 'LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 gnome-shell --replace', as proposed by > drago01, indeed starts an intended mode gnome session, both before and > after installing these scratch packages, but results are spectacularly > useless. 'gnome-

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-21 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:13:19AM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 23:52 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > I am asking because on my rawhide installation > > (Radeon RV280 graphics card) I am surely not observing anything of that > > sort. > Yeah, ugly corner case. . > >

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 13:10 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 12:08 -0500, mwesten wrote: > > > FYI - I can get the shell with this on RV200 in F17ARC2 (Live), but the > > processor gets pegged at 100% continuously and it's not usable. > > Performance reports for software gnome-

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-21 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 12:08 -0500, mwesten wrote: > FYI - I can get the shell with this on RV200 in F17ARC2 (Live), but the > processor gets pegged at 100% continuously and it's not usable. Performance reports for software gnome-shell need to include the CPU speed and model to be informative. T

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-21 Thread mwesten
On 02/21/2012 05:14 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: At https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering I am reading "The standard Gnome 3 experience is now available on all hardware". Is this a plan, a wish or this is supposed

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-21 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 23:52 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > At https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering > I am reading "The standard Gnome 3 experience is now available on all > hardware". Is this a plan, a wish or this is supposedly describing the > current situati

Re: A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-21 Thread drago01
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > At https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering > I am reading "The standard Gnome 3 experience is now available on all > hardware".  Is this a plan, a wish or this is supposedly describing the > current situatio

A question about "Software rendering for gnome-shell"

2012-02-20 Thread Michal Jaegermann
At https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering I am reading "The standard Gnome 3 experience is now available on all hardware". Is this a plan, a wish or this is supposedly describing the current situation? I am asking because on my rawhide installation (Radeon RV280 gr