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On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 05:29, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
Probably, inability to configure your
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:17 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 05:29, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
Probably,
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 05/31/2011 09:17 AM, drago01 wrote:
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On Mon, May 30, 2011 at
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On 05/31/2011 09:17 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha Rpashar...@gmail.com
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On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Jason D.
Clintonjasonclinton.com
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On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 01:45, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
Care to explain the logic behind this? Because it is really beyond my
understanding.
No, I don't. Your attitude is too antagonistic.
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On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 08:56 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 01:45, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
Care to explain the logic behind this? Because it is really beyond my
understanding.
No, I don't. Your attitude is too antagonistic.
I don't think there is
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 01:45, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
Care to explain the logic behind this? Because it is really beyond my
understanding.
No, I don't. Your attitude is too antagonistic.
Yes, I am.
On 05/31/2011 10:37 PM, Pasha R wrote:
Yes, I am. Some people suddenly force me to either change distribution
or to lose access to many functions I found useful and essential,
Hi!
I think there is a slight misunderstanding here. GNOME 3.0 is a .0
release and thus bleeding edge. One would
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 09:37, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I am. Some people suddenly force me to either change distribution
or to lose access to many functions I found useful and essential, and
access
On 1/06/2011 1:36 AM, Pasha R wrote:
Unfortunately, Jason's answers on this list and other forums I read
indicate unwillingness of at least some Gnome developers to listen to
users, but I really hope I'm wrong here.
You should see some of the replies I've had over the years about bugs in
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Steven Haigh net...@crc.id.au wrote:
On 1/06/2011 1:36 AM, Pasha R wrote:
Unfortunately, Jason's answers on this list and other forums I read
indicate unwillingness of at least some Gnome developers to listen to
users, but I really hope I'm wrong here.
You
On 05/31/2011 11:27 AM, Pasha R wrote:
This Fedora release is simply too useless for me - DSL connection is
just one of many features I lost with this release (actually, it
isn't, I never used NetworkManager before as it never supported
configuration that I want to use).
Speaking of network
On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 20:21 -0700, Scott Doty wrote:
Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
It's already been explained to you that it hasn't been replaced. The
old and new interfaces are co-deployed intentionally.
Alas, this turns out not to be the case. My Gnome 2 panel has
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 09:30 -0400, ergodic wrote:
Screensavers has lost there use years ago.
With today's screens they don't really save anything but simply
waste power for no reason whatever.
Be careful! A Plasma display needs the screensaver to prevent image burn.
Well, no, it
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 09:45 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 09:37, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I am. Some people suddenly force me to either change distribution
or to lose access to many functions I found useful and essential, and
access to this
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 12:04 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
On 05/31/2011 11:27 AM, Pasha R wrote:
This Fedora release is simply too useless for me - DSL connection is
just one of many features I lost with this release (actually, it
isn't, I never used NetworkManager before as it never
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 12:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/05/31 09:09 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
Er, this thread is about NetworkManager. Nothing to do with panels.
Judging by its generic subject line and length, it is about anything and
everything remotely related to
On May 31, 2011 12:32 PM, John Dulaney j_dula...@live.com wrote:
So, what I use is 'nm-applet'. For some reason, it is
still there in /usr/bin (not that I'm complaining). It works fine
standing alone without
any other Gnome components loaded. Since it was included in my clean F15
install,
I
Yes, we use the exact same applet in GNOME 3 Fallback Mode
so we have an interest in its continued maintenance for the foreseesble future.
Indeed. Maybe that's how I got it, from testing fallback? Anyway, it
still has all the functionality that it had before, or at least everything
I use. I
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:42, John Dulaney j_dula...@live.com wrote:
Yes, we use the exact same applet in GNOME 3 Fallback Mode
so we have an interest in its continued maintenance for the foreseesble
future.
Indeed. Maybe that's how I got it, from testing fallback? Anyway, it
still has all
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:17 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com
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On Mon,
On 05/31/2011 08:11 PM, drago01 wrote:
A screensaver isn't the right tool for this ... there are lots of
dedicated apps for viewing family pictures.
Some of my machines (servers) are connnected via KVM to a single screen.
I like to see at one glance if they are doing sth (screensaver) or not.
On 05/31/2011 01:11 PM, drago01 wrote:
A screensaver isn't the right tool for this ... there are lots of
dedicated apps for viewing family pictures.
Displaying random pixels (that just happen to be in the shape of photos)
is not a proper tool for screen saving? Huh? I believe he is not using
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:
On 05/31/2011 01:11 PM, drago01 wrote:
A screensaver isn't the right tool for this ... there are lots of
dedicated apps for viewing family pictures.
Displaying random pixels (that just happen to be in the shape of
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:11 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:17 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at
On 05/31/2011 02:53 PM, Pasha R wrote:
Generally, screensavers were part of computing experience for a long
time (15 years at least). People developed tons of different
screensavers -- ranging from some chaotic graphics to cartoon
Lots of business computers use screenvertizing to show
On 05/31/2011 01:26 PM, drago01 wrote:
You missed the point.
Cutting out important parts of e-mails is something I used to do. It
helped emphasize when I missed the point.
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2011/5/30 Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
wrote:
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 22:09 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
wrote:
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 09:47 +0600, Angel wrote:
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:57 AM, cornel panceac cpanc...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/5/30 Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
wrote:
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 22:09 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Adam Williamson
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:24, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
why Fedora maintainers decide to replace functional software by
software that lacks many essential features or even replace existing
It's already been explained to you that it hasn't been replaced. The
old and new interfaces are
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 05:29, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
Probably, inability to configure your screensaver is much more
noticeable than inability to stop copy operation. :)
Now *that* is intentional.
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I don't understand why Fedora maintainers decide to replace functional
software by software that lacks many essential features ...
I have no direct connection to Fedora decision-makers, but I doubt this
is something they decide to do. It happens because Fedora seeks to
package very recent
On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 16:42 -0400, Richard Ryniker wrote:
I don't understand why Fedora maintainers decide to replace functional
software by software that lacks many essential features ...
I have no direct connection to Fedora decision-makers, but I doubt this
is something they decide to do.
Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
It's already been explained to you that it hasn't been replaced. The
old and new interfaces are co-deployed intentionally.
Alas, this turns out not to be the case. My Gnome 2 panel has extensive
customizations, none of which appear in Gnome
On 05/29/2011 11:24 PM, Pasha R wrote:
May be instead of rushing to release Gnome 3 before
it can provide not only nice-looking, but also functional DE, they
could stop, catch their breath and complete all these missing
features.
It would be most helpful if someone could post a link, or
The new connection editor is not finished yet. You can still use the
old one; it's in the applications list as Network Connections.
P.S. Please assume that we mean well.
No problem with that -- road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Is the old one /usr/bin/nm-applet ?
No, I am not on F15 now, but I believe you can use
/usr/bin/system-config-network
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On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 02:28:28PM +0300, Pasha R wrote:
The new connection editor is not finished yet. You can still use the
old one; it's in the applications list as Network Connections.
P.S. Please assume that we mean well.
No problem with that -- road to hell is paved with good
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 22:09 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 09:47 +0600, Angel wrote:
If you click the network icon of the panel then Network Settings, that
´s the different thing (dumbed down to
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 18:49 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
Is the old one /usr/bin/nm-applet ?
nm-connection-editor.
P.S. Additional benefit is the same advice may work for other window
managers as well ... where menu 'names' may be different yet again.
This is unlikely, as the system
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 14:09, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, unfortunately, my internet provider (and all other internet
providers in my country) require me to use PPPoE to connect to
internet. And, for some unknown reason (probably something like I
don't need it, so no one else
On 05/28/2011 06:42 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
The new connection editor is not finished yet. You can still use the
old one; it's in the applications list as Network Connections.
P.S. Please assume that we mean well.
Could we start making a habit of naming the executable as well when
On 05/23/2011 07:58 PM, James Laska wrote:
Oh thanks, you are right. I didn't establish a connection during
installation, but I did establish a connection manually on my installed
system by enabling the device from the . I didn't check whether
'Options' was greyed out prior to activating my
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 13:13 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
On 05/23/2011 12:35 PM, James Laska wrote:
I just completed a F-15 DVD install (no online repos enabled) on
baremetal. After installation and boot-up, the network is not enabled
(as expected). When I click the NM icon in
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 22:44 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 09:47 +0600, Angel wrote:
If you click the network icon of the panel then Network Settings, that
´s the different thing (dumbed down to absolute worthlessness).
yeah - it's so worthless you can only connect
On 05/14/2011 06:49 PM, cornel panceac wrote:
of course, we all remember when, several years ago, the tool that
could've customized gdm (gdmsetup?) dissapeared and was supposed to be
rewritten sometimes in the future, soon, anyway.
i'm not saying that the gnome team does not want to do the
On 05/14/2011 06:02 AM, Eric Blake wrote:
On 05/13/2011 05:07 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Gnome screen saver's config panel is no where to
be found.
Right, DPMS (in Screen capplet) + lock status screen makes a lot
more sense from a power-saving perspective and use-case perspective.
What I
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 18:36 +0600, Angel wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Adam Williamson
awill...@redhat.com wrote:
It's a *temporary workaround*. the GNOME 3 network
configuration tools
are not feature complete yet, so we keep the old one around to
Gerald Henriksen wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 10:55:13 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
Another thing... I cannot find a way to disable the Nouveau kernel module.
I have tried all the methods that worked before (rdblacklist and the
modules blacklist.) Nothing seems to work. I am going to have to rebuild
I have to admit, this is the most painful Fedora installation I have ever
done. (And I have used them all.)
The networking came up as IPv6 *only*. My router does not do IPv6 and my
ISP (Qwest) does not know when their network ever will. In order to get it
to work I had to hack files in
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:55, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
The networking came up as IPv6 *only*. My router does not do IPv6 and my
ISP (Qwest) does not know when their network ever will. In order to get it
to work I had to hack files in /etc/sysconfig and use dhclient to get an
address since
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 14:19, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
I know. I have been through this before. There is a reason the Greeks
considered Hubris a sin against the Gods.
Please refrain from insults.
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On 05/13/2011 05:07 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Gnome screen saver's config panel is no where to
be found.
Right, DPMS (in Screen capplet) + lock status screen makes a lot
more sense from a power-saving perspective and use-case perspective.
What I miss is the ability to disable the power
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:55 PM, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
The networking came up as IPv6 *only*. My router does not do IPv6 and my
ISP (Qwest) does not know when their network ever will. In order to get it
to work I had to hack files in /etc/sysconfig and use dhclient to get an
address
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 09:47 +0600, Angel wrote:
If you click the network icon of the panel then Network Settings, that
´s the different thing (dumbed down to absolute worthlessness).
yeah - it's so worthless you can only connect to a typical wired or
wireless network configuration, y'know,
On 05/13/2011 11:47 PM, Angel wrote:
Go to Activities and then search by the keyword ¨network¨. Now from the
search result click Network Connections. This is the old nm-applet of
Gnome 2.
If you click the network icon of the panel then Network Settings, that´s
the different thing (dumbed
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 01:51 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
On 05/13/2011 11:47 PM, Angel wrote:
Go to Activities and then search by the keyword ¨network¨. Now from the
search result click Network Connections. This is the old nm-applet of
Gnome 2.
If you click the network icon of the
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