On 08/30/2010 03:15 PM, Karel Volný wrote:
> On Sunday 29 of August 2010 00:39:52 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Again, the time required to do that is pretty small (maybe as
>> small as ten minutes)
> ... if you already have all the background knowledge, and the
> needed abilities
>
> don't forget ab
On Sunday 29 of August 2010 00:39:52 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Again, the time required to do that is pretty small (maybe as
> small as ten minutes)
... if you already have all the background knowledge, and the
needed abilities
don't forget about that, please
(sorry, I'm a bit tired of hearing "
On 08/29/2010 02:04 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> It helps immensly if you are in a position to distinguish between
> "real" info, a pure voodoo magic which once gave an impression that
> it worked, accidental and/or intentional workarounds for bugs which
> will be gone in some future version - m
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 01:30:35AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
>
>
> Do you happen to mean that:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Alpha_release_notes#
> Better_System_and_Session_Management
> I just quoted
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
>
> Do you happen to mean that:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Alpha_release_notes#Better_System_and_Session_Management
> I just quoted the whole entry. If somewhere else there is something
> "real" then I would start by putti
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 14:37 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> ok, great ... I remember seeing the info that there will be some
> "systemd" thing in F14
>
> but I really do not remember seeing the info that inittab won't
> be usable any longer
>
> see the difference?
Yes, and we already addressed th
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 02:37:08PM +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> and btw, I don't see it mentioned here nor in the referenced
> bugreport - why /etc/inittab gets installed at all if it is not
> used?
It's used by upstart, which is currently installed in parallel as a
fallback. Confusing, I know.
hi,
On Thursday 26 of August 2010 05:02:45 Adam Williamson wrote:
> No, not really. It's not the Vogon effect. This is a very
> public, very open project; the use of systemd has been
> discussed extensively on this list, and on -test list, and is
> listed in the Alpha release notes - it's the ver
Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
> Matt McCutchen wrote:
>
>> Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system, and it doesn't
>> honor /etc/inittab:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626855
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.h
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:59:01PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Yea, but my most frequent use case is to do a graphical install
> on a machine that is really going to be a server which I would
> like to default to runlevel 3 instead of 5.
Note that this is a common use case, because the text-gui in
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:27:51AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> section for the systemd v8 issue:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#systemd_package_update_breaks_default_boot_target
The "less fragile update" should be pushed to the testing repo RSN.
--
Matthew Miller
Senior Sys
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:06:55 -0400
Adam Jackson wrote:
> The theory here is that if graphics didn't work at install time they're
> probably not going to work afterwards either. So if you needed to
> resort to VNC or text mode...
Yea, but my most frequent use case is to do a graphical install
on
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 13:00 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > The release notes are the one canonical thing you should always read.
>
> I have edited the release notes to state that systemd is a "mostly
> compatible" replacement instead of
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 10:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > I believe its a wiki. Please go there and help improve the release
> > notes.
>
> The notes already have a link to the common bugs page, which now has a
> section for the systemd v8 issue:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_b
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 10:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:14:59 -0400
> Chris Lumens wrote:
>
> > The VNC -> runlevel 3 implication is working as designed.
>
> Though, I'd really like anaconda to have a screen that
> let's me choose the runlevel during install, but it isn't
>
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> The release notes are the one canonical thing you should always read.
I have edited the release notes to state that systemd is a "mostly
compatible" replacement instead of a "drop-in" replacement, and I have
copied the FAQ and Tips and Tr
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:52 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:43:14AM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:36 -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
> >
> > > I disagree, there really is only so much we as an internet based
> > > community can do to help the users and pu
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:01:02AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:41 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
>
> > Or maybe you were thinking of this:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Alpha_release_announcement
> > NetworkManager and PulseAudio as examples in the context ar
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:41 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
>
> Do you happen to mean that:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Alpha_release_notes#Better_System_and_Session_Management
> I just quoted the whole entry. If somewhere else there is something
> "real" then I would start by putt
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:17:23AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:12 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:47:17AM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, let's try this "first item" in its entirety.
> > >
> > > Oh, I'm sorry ... did you mis
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 10:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:17:23AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:12 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > > Somebody who is missing something is you; namely that an information
> > > to deal with a fall out is la
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:17:23AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:12 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:47:17AM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, let's try this "first item" in its entirety.
> > >
> > > Oh, I'm sorry ... did you mis
2010/8/26 seth vidal
>
>
> I think the point is that the one thing we can do to help users is to
> "throw it all away and start over" LESS often.
>
>
>
> -sv
>
> good point.
--
Among the maxims on Lord Naoshige's wall, there was this one: "Matters of
great concern should be treated lightly." M
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:14:59 -0400
Chris Lumens wrote:
> The VNC -> runlevel 3 implication is working as designed.
Though, I'd really like anaconda to have a screen that
let's me choose the runlevel during install, but it isn't
a big deal (until changing the runlevel becomes an
adventure :-).
--
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:12 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:47:17AM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, let's try this "first item" in its entirety.
> >
> > Oh, I'm sorry ... did you miss the Alpha tag on the ISO you
> > downloaded?
>
> Somebody who is missing s
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:47:17AM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
> >
> > OK, let's try this "first item" in its entirety.
>
> Oh, I'm sorry ... did you miss the Alpha tag on the ISO you
> downloaded?
Somebody who is missing something is you; namely that an information
to deal with a fall out is lacki
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:47:17 -0500
Adam Miller wrote:
> Those of us on this mailing list spend time testing
> Fedora and we should provide *constructive* feedback
I thought the suggestion earlier in this thread to provide
a single place where "heads up" documentation about things
users are going
> > I have edited /etc/inittab to change :3: to :5: in the
> > one line in there, but that didn't change anything.
> > (Apparently it picked runlevel 3 as the default because
> > X wouldn't work in the installer and I had to use VNC).
> >
>
> That wont work inittab is slowly being deprecated add 1
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:10:28AM +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
> On 08/26/2010 07:17 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > OTOH adding '5' there may just work (maybe).
>
> I made the experience that I can add in F14 the runlevel in the GRUB
> boot line, so I can boot into rl 5 or 3 without problem. Wi
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:43:14AM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:36 -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
>
> > I disagree, there really is only so much we as an internet based
> > community can do to help the users and publicly providing the
> > documentation in multiple outlets is abou
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> >
>> > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
>> >
>> > Another example of the Vo
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:36 -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
> I disagree, there really is only so much we as an internet based
> community can do to help the users and publicly providing the
> documentation in multiple outlets is about as good as it gets. I don't
> have everyone's phone number who downl
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 21:13:20 -0700,
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>> Vogon, not Volgan. :) And yes, that issue isn't documented, mainly
>
> That's not fair. The plans for the destruction of Earth were on display.
> If people couldn't b
On 08/26/2010 12:49 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> My continuing adventures in fedora 14 alpha have finally
> gotten it installed, and I can even boot, but it insists
> on coming up in runlevel 3 (apparently). It won't start
> KDM and I get no graphical login.
>
What happens if you start kdm in run le
On 08/26/2010 07:17 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
>>>
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
>>>
>>> Another example of the Vogon effect :-).
On 08/26/2010 07:00 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> I remember this happening with upstart--briefly, and I mentioned that a
> comment should go in /etc/inittab, and I think Bill Nottingham fixed it
> in a few hours (without me even filing a bug.)
>
> As long as there's a comment in /etc/inittab on how
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:17:19PM -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > >
> > > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
> > >
> > > Another exa
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
> >
> > Another example of the Vogon effect :-).
>
> No, not really. It's not the Vogon effect. T
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 21:13:20 -0700,
Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> Vogon, not Volgan. :) And yes, that issue isn't documented, mainly
That's not fair. The plans for the destruction of Earth were on display.
If people couldn't be bothered to read them, that's their problem.
--
test mailing lis
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 23:13 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
> > > Matt McCutchen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Fedora 14 is using systemd as the
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
> > Matt McCutchen wrote:
> >
> > > Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system, and it doesn't
> > > honor /etc/inittab:
> > >
> > > h
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
> Matt McCutchen wrote:
>
> > Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system, and it doesn't
> > honor /etc/inittab:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626855
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~t
2010/8/26 Tom Horsley :
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
> Matt McCutchen wrote:
>
>> Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system, and it doesn't
>> honor /etc/inittab:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626855
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happen
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:02:54PM -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 20:49 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > My continuing adventures in fedora 14 alpha have finally
> > gotten it installed, and I can even boot, but it insists
> > on coming up in runlevel 3 (apparently). It won't sta
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
Matt McCutchen wrote:
> Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system, and it doesn't
> honor /etc/inittab:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626855
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
Another example of the Vogo
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 20:49 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> My continuing adventures in fedora 14 alpha have finally
> gotten it installed, and I can even boot, but it insists
> on coming up in runlevel 3 (apparently). It won't start
> KDM and I get no graphical login.
>
> I have edited /etc/inittab t
My continuing adventures in fedora 14 alpha have finally
gotten it installed, and I can even boot, but it insists
on coming up in runlevel 3 (apparently). It won't start
KDM and I get no graphical login.
I have edited /etc/inittab to change :3: to :5: in the
one line in there, but that didn't chan
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