Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 18:33:17 -0700, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: The bootable raid1 case is actually fragile due to the use of mdadm version 0.9 metadata; I believe that version 1.0 is used for

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-22 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:55:56 -0700 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: and the user gets to choose a couple of variations: encryption, and a way to reuse an existing /home. Personally, I wouldn't be happy with too restrictive. home lan setup I setup fresh install Desktops with a

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 22, 2014, at 1:57 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:55:56 -0700 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: and the user gets to choose a couple of variations: encryption, and a way to reuse an existing /home. Personally, I wouldn't be happy

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-22 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-02-22 18:49 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: This crappy partioning GUI in the installer is does not give me the amount of control on partitioning desired by me. I don't understand this. It's the most capable GUI partitioner + OS installer I've ever encountered, and I've used

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 22, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2014-02-22 18:49 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: This crappy partioning GUI in the installer is does not give me the amount of control on partitioning desired by me. I don't understand this. It's the most capable

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-22 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-02-22 20:57 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: there's sufficient duplicative effort between then openSUSE and Fedora installers when it comes to ninja partitioning I'm not really understanding why they don't share an upstream project. YaST2 is traditionally one of the top 2 things

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/23/2014 03:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2014-02-22 18:49 (GMT-0700) Chris Murphy composed: This crappy partioning GUI in the installer is does not give me the amount of control on partitioning desired by me. I don't understand this. It's the most capable GUI partitioner + OS installer

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-21 Thread Dan Mossor
On 02/19/2014 10:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Feb 19, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 16:55 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: If the bar is going to be raised, Just as a sidebar, I'm not sure you're entirely on track with this assessment - I

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:54 -0600, Dan Mossor wrote: I've been pondering this, and I have an idea that I borrowed from the enemy (M$). When you install anything in Windows land - including the OS, IIRC - you are given a choice: default install, or custom. Why can't we set anaconda up this

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:54 -0600, Dan Mossor wrote: I've been pondering this, and I have an idea that I borrowed from the enemy (M$). When you install anything in Windows land - including the OS, IIRC - you are

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-21 Thread Mike Ruckman
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:59:54 -0700 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Feb 19, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 16:55 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: If the bar is going to be raised, Just as a sidebar, I'm not sure you're

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Feb 21, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Mike Ruckman ro...@fedoraproject.org wrote: The hard part, IMO, is figuring out what 'common configurations' should be included with the installer. I think the hard part is having the guts to make a subjective, yet reasonably well informed decision, and just

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 14:47 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: What is in common for Server and Workstation? They have to boot, and startup to a working prompt or gdm. That's all the installer needs to do to be successful. Goose. Gander. Good. I think we shoot ourselves in both feet by creating

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-21 Thread Mike Ruckman
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:47:45 -0700 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Feb 21, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Mike Ruckman ro...@fedoraproject.org wrote: The hard part, IMO, is figuring out what 'common configurations' should be included with the installer. I think the hard part is

Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-21 Thread Mike Ruckman
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:56:41 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I think just chewing the cud about this on test@ is kind of pointless at this point; we're all aware of the issues and the general goal of 'make it simpler'. I think we need to be talking to other teams about it.